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This is great news! Twitter and the rest of the rotten and censorious platforms could use a proper shake-up. Hope the authoritarians and political repressives

This is great news! Twitter and the rest of the rotten and censorious platforms could use a proper shake-up. Hope the authoritarians and political repressives and anyone who works on the content moderation team all resign in protest! Good riddance!

pixelatedindex 5y ago
Very unclear if this should have ended in a /s or not - which is more of a reflection of the world in which we live in rather than the comment itself.
- deleted 5y ago
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- systemvoltage 5y ago
  It is crazy that sane things are controversial and insane things are mainstream.
- caffeine 5y ago
  I meant every word (and more.)
  - fortyseven 5y ago
  - consumer451 5y ago
    Honest question, and not snark: We have 4chan and 8chan. Those are absolute free speech. Don't we already know how "absolute free speech" works out on digital platforms? Why do we need another one? Or am I missing something major here?
    - fastball 5y ago
      I guess the problem with those platforms is that most privately censored speech is still the actual hate speech stuff like Nazism/racism/homophobia/etc, so those platforms have taken on all of those aspects because those people have nowhere else to go. But Twitter is not already a cesspool of those things, and I guess the feeling is that loosening up on the reigns a little bit won't suddenly cause Twitter to turn into a neo-nazi dominated platform. You'll just have things like not banning Donald Trump or not squashing factually correct NYPost articles – which of course are things that you can still debate the merits of but are different from Twitter becoming 4chan.
    - mlindner 5y ago
      Those are free speech but also anonymous. In real free speech you still have to put your name to what you're saying. If you suddenly stuck everyone's real name on every single comment they wrote then it'd suddenly become a lot more civilized. Conversely, because there are no identities, there's no way to follow specific people you agree with.
      - consumer451 5y ago
        Ok, but Twitter has no such real name policy, correct? It is just a convention used by public and semi-public figures isn't it?
        mlindner 4y ago
        I believe it's required if you want the white checkmark.
rideontime 5y ago
jfyi, if this is in reference to a certain viral tweet going around, you got trolled.
- caffeine 5y ago
  Can you post a keyword or something that I can use to find the tweet?
verisimi 5y ago
His family are in the club, he's only playing a role. And its not going to be about increasing freedom, sorry. https://web.archive.org/web/20140809023548/http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimclash/2014/07/28/elon-musk-tells-me-his-secret-of-success-hint-it-aint-about-the-money/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140809023548/http://www.forbes... In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia. I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn’t realize how dangerous it was. I couldn’t find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother’s – which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I’m thinking, “Man, this could really go bad.” His grandfather (Dr Joshua Haldeman) was head of Technocracy Inc: https://www.technocracy.news/shock-elon-musks-grandfather-was-head-of-canadas-technocracy-movement/ https://www.technocracy.news/shock-elon-musks-grandfather-wa...
- verisimi 5y ago
  Lots of downvotes - but this is verifiable!
  - verisimi 5y ago
    Wow - from -4 to +6. I'm quite amazed. Thanks to those who appreciate the research.
TameAntelope 5y ago
It’s easy to call for change without actually having to build any of it. Odds are zero things change about Twitter’s content policy, as it’s about as permissive as you can get while operating in the US. There’s a lot less sinister intent than one might think at first blush; Twitter wants users to stick around, banning them is a really bad way to do that.
- Jtype 5y ago
  Sure, banning users from posting a published news story is "permissive".
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    Since when is "published" a meaningful quality barrier to content? Any idiot with a WP site can "publish" a "news story". Besides, if I reply to your tweet, "My child just died in a fire." with an article about how fire deaths are among the most painful ways to die, it doesn't really matter much how "published" that "news story" is, it's hateful and has no place on the Internet.
    - gjs278 5y ago
      [dead]
    - caffeine 5y ago
      > it's hateful and has no place on the Internet. Well that’s where we (you and I, but also us collectively as a country, it seems) disagree. I don’t care that it’s hateful, and I think it should have a place on the internet, and so long as we allow monopolies on the internet, then it needs to have a place on whatever monopoly platform there is. Anyone who thinks they should be deciding what is “hateful and has no place on the internet” is EXACTLY who should NOT be deciding such things.
      - ribosometronome 5y ago
        And yet, you're a long time, heavy-ish poster on the more heavily moderated Hacker News.
jayd16 5y ago
What are you guys trying to post that can't be posted on Twitter or on some other private service?

pixelatedindex 5y ago

Very unclear if this should have ended in a /s or not - which is more of a reflection of the world in which we live in rather than the comment itself.

deleted 5y ago
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systemvoltage 5y ago
It is crazy that sane things are controversial and insane things are mainstream.
caffeine 5y ago
I meant every word (and more.)
- fortyseven 5y ago
- consumer451 5y ago
  Honest question, and not snark: We have 4chan and 8chan. Those are absolute free speech. Don't we already know how "absolute free speech" works out on digital platforms? Why do we need another one? Or am I missing something major here?
  - fastball 5y ago
    I guess the problem with those platforms is that most privately censored speech is still the actual hate speech stuff like Nazism/racism/homophobia/etc, so those platforms have taken on all of those aspects because those people have nowhere else to go. But Twitter is not already a cesspool of those things, and I guess the feeling is that loosening up on the reigns a little bit won't suddenly cause Twitter to turn into a neo-nazi dominated platform. You'll just have things like not banning Donald Trump or not squashing factually correct NYPost articles – which of course are things that you can still debate the merits of but are different from Twitter becoming 4chan.
  - mlindner 5y ago
    Those are free speech but also anonymous. In real free speech you still have to put your name to what you're saying. If you suddenly stuck everyone's real name on every single comment they wrote then it'd suddenly become a lot more civilized. Conversely, because there are no identities, there's no way to follow specific people you agree with.
    - consumer451 5y ago
      Ok, but Twitter has no such real name policy, correct? It is just a convention used by public and semi-public figures isn't it?
      - mlindner 4y ago
        I believe it's required if you want the white checkmark.

rideontime 5y ago

jfyi, if this is in reference to a certain viral tweet going around, you got trolled.

caffeine 5y ago
Can you post a keyword or something that I can use to find the tweet?

verisimi 5y ago

His family are in the club, he's only playing a role. And its not going to be about increasing freedom, sorry. https://web.archive.org/web/20140809023548/http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimclash/2014/07/28/elon-musk-tells-me-his-secret-of-success-hint-it-aint-about-the-money/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140809023548/http://www.forbes... In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia. I was 15 and really wanted to go with him but didn’t realize how dangerous it was. I couldn’t find my passport so I ended up grabbing my brother’s – which turned out to be six months overdue! So we had this planeload of contraband and an overdue passport from another person. There were AK-47s all over the place and I’m thinking, “Man, this could really go bad.” His grandfather (Dr Joshua Haldeman) was head of Technocracy Inc: https://www.technocracy.news/shock-elon-musks-grandfather-was-head-of-canadas-technocracy-movement/ https://www.technocracy.news/shock-elon-musks-grandfather-wa...

verisimi 5y ago
Lots of downvotes - but this is verifiable!
- verisimi 5y ago
  Wow - from -4 to +6. I'm quite amazed. Thanks to those who appreciate the research.

TameAntelope 5y ago

It’s easy to call for change without actually having to build any of it. Odds are zero things change about Twitter’s content policy, as it’s about as permissive as you can get while operating in the US. There’s a lot less sinister intent than one might think at first blush; Twitter wants users to stick around, banning them is a really bad way to do that.

Jtype 5y ago
Sure, banning users from posting a published news story is "permissive".
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  Since when is "published" a meaningful quality barrier to content? Any idiot with a WP site can "publish" a "news story". Besides, if I reply to your tweet, "My child just died in a fire." with an article about how fire deaths are among the most painful ways to die, it doesn't really matter much how "published" that "news story" is, it's hateful and has no place on the Internet.
  - gjs278 5y ago
    [dead]
  - caffeine 5y ago
    > it's hateful and has no place on the Internet. Well that’s where we (you and I, but also us collectively as a country, it seems) disagree. I don’t care that it’s hateful, and I think it should have a place on the internet, and so long as we allow monopolies on the internet, then it needs to have a place on whatever monopoly platform there is. Anyone who thinks they should be deciding what is “hateful and has no place on the internet” is EXACTLY who should NOT be deciding such things.
    - ribosometronome 5y ago
      And yet, you're a long time, heavy-ish poster on the more heavily moderated Hacker News.

jayd16 5y ago

What are you guys trying to post that can't be posted on Twitter or on some other private service?