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That’s the sort of cynicism RT want you to adopt, yes.

qiskit 5y ago
My opinion of the BBC was formed long before RT even existed. One is a government funded state propagandist. The other is RT. RT emulates BBC as do a lot of state propagandists around the world. All RT and other state propagandists like CGTN, al jazeera, etc does is copy the BBC. It's because the BBC is the best at propaganda. It sets the bar that other state propagandists aspire to. It isn't by accident George Orwell modeled the Ministry of Truth after the BBC. After all he worked as a propagandist for the BBC during ww2. You truly have to be brainwashed to believe that the BBC is any different from RT. Just gotta tip your hat to the BBC. They do a good job.
- Mordisquitos 5y ago
  > My opinion of the BBC was formed long before RT even existed. One is a government funded state propagandist. The other is RT. I'm surprised that, having held such a strong opinion about the BBC for such a long time, you are still able to immediately make a factually incorrect statement regarding such common knowledge as where its funding comes from.
  - qiskit 5y ago
    RT's funding doesn't come from the government?
    - Tostino 5y ago
      The BBC funding is primarily through TV licensing fees, so it's essentially an optional tax.
      - qiskit 5y ago
        > The BBC funding is primarily through TV licensing fees, so it's essentially an optional tax. That's a long-winded and highly convoluted way of saying government funded. You have to admire the BBC. They've done such a good job brainwashing people that they jump through all kinds of hoops to hide the fact that the BBC is government funded state propaganda. BBC is what RT aspires to be one day.
        KarlKemp 5y ago
        No, see, that's but one example of how your unwillingness or inability to accept any complexity or nuance gets in the way of thinking. The TV license system is set up specifically so that the institution is somewhat isolated from day-to-day politics. It's a completely different situation if the PM can decide on a whim to fund you or not, or if there's a difficult-to-change law that sets the fees that you get for a decade in advance If you insist that everything is the same and all politicians are corrupt and all media are lying then you're just giving away any power you might have. Why would any politician not turn corrupt or leave id you are screaming invectives at them at the top of your lung, completely divorced from their actual work? That's why RT loves cynicism and tries to amplify exactly that work view: it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.
        dundarious 5y ago
        The license fee is likely to be scrapped in 2027: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60014514 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60014514. Alternative funding is almost certainly going to carry significant strings (either from advertisers or more direct control from government officials). Arguably there has been a multi-decade push to extinguish the institution altogether, or at least to drastically shrink it and simultaneously bring it under more rigid government control. The trend towards official state broadcaster and away from public interest broadcaster has been ongoing for many many years. I think the BBC is not exactly like RT in degree or in kind, but there is a definite trend towards its kind. It's also interesting to note that some of the official US complaints about RT influence on US public opinion are based on RT platforming legitimate social critics in the US. Dissidents for thee but not for me.
        5y ago
pydry 5y ago
RT didnt fire the director general for not towing the line on Iraqs WMDs.
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- mda 5y ago
  Oh I am pretty sure any member of RT would face a much more interesting punishment if they decide to go against their owners will.
  - pydry 5y ago
    For sure, but the principle is the same. Neither is independent.

My opinion of the BBC was formed long before RT even existed. One is a government funded state propagandist. The other is RT. RT emulates BBC as do a lot of state propagandists around the world. All RT and other state propagandists like CGTN, al jazeera, etc does is copy the BBC. It's because the BBC is the best at propaganda. It sets the bar that other state propagandists aspire to. It isn't by accident George Orwell modeled the Ministry of Truth after the BBC. After all he worked as a propagandist for the BBC during ww2. You truly have to be brainwashed to believe that the BBC is any different from RT. Just gotta tip your hat to the BBC. They do a good job.

Mordisquitos 5y ago
> My opinion of the BBC was formed long before RT even existed. One is a government funded state propagandist. The other is RT. I'm surprised that, having held such a strong opinion about the BBC for such a long time, you are still able to immediately make a factually incorrect statement regarding such common knowledge as where its funding comes from.
- qiskit 5y ago
  RT's funding doesn't come from the government?
  - Tostino 5y ago
    The BBC funding is primarily through TV licensing fees, so it's essentially an optional tax.
    - qiskit 5y ago
      > The BBC funding is primarily through TV licensing fees, so it's essentially an optional tax. That's a long-winded and highly convoluted way of saying government funded. You have to admire the BBC. They've done such a good job brainwashing people that they jump through all kinds of hoops to hide the fact that the BBC is government funded state propaganda. BBC is what RT aspires to be one day.
      - KarlKemp 5y ago
        No, see, that's but one example of how your unwillingness or inability to accept any complexity or nuance gets in the way of thinking. The TV license system is set up specifically so that the institution is somewhat isolated from day-to-day politics. It's a completely different situation if the PM can decide on a whim to fund you or not, or if there's a difficult-to-change law that sets the fees that you get for a decade in advance If you insist that everything is the same and all politicians are corrupt and all media are lying then you're just giving away any power you might have. Why would any politician not turn corrupt or leave id you are screaming invectives at them at the top of your lung, completely divorced from their actual work? That's why RT loves cynicism and tries to amplify exactly that work view: it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.
        dundarious 5y ago
        The license fee is likely to be scrapped in 2027: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60014514 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60014514. Alternative funding is almost certainly going to carry significant strings (either from advertisers or more direct control from government officials). Arguably there has been a multi-decade push to extinguish the institution altogether, or at least to drastically shrink it and simultaneously bring it under more rigid government control. The trend towards official state broadcaster and away from public interest broadcaster has been ongoing for many many years. I think the BBC is not exactly like RT in degree or in kind, but there is a definite trend towards its kind. It's also interesting to note that some of the official US complaints about RT influence on US public opinion are based on RT platforming legitimate social critics in the US. Dissidents for thee but not for me.
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pydry 5y ago

RT didnt fire the director general for not towing the line on Iraqs WMDs.

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mda 5y ago
Oh I am pretty sure any member of RT would face a much more interesting punishment if they decide to go against their owners will.
- pydry 5y ago
  For sure, but the principle is the same. Neither is independent.