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Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. No one owes me anything. I'm asking a question and you're not answering it

by slibhb 5y ago

Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. No one owes me anything. I'm asking a question and you're not answering it, you're just restating "some people value different things and we can't say why". My point is that people should value Elon's accomplishments more than his attitude. The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation.

Loughla 5y ago
You're just missing the point entirely. Some people believe his shitty attitude far outweighs any economic value he has created, or wealth he has amassed. To them, your attitude is bizarre and demands an explanation. To them, you should value someone who is a decent person over any money they make. OP wasn't saying Elon Musk is a shithead. S/he was pointing out that both things can be true - he can be a shithead, and he can create wealth and innovation. Both can be true, and some people will place value on one over the other, much as you have done.
- slibhb 5y ago
  How did I miss the point? I summarized exactly what you wrote in the post you responded to. We can't talk to each other because you're coming from a value-relative perspective ("people value different things, no one is wrong, and we can't say why"). To me this is insane. If someone values 5 dollars more than their life, we can question that. When people say Elon Must being a mean person on twitter outweighs everything he's built, we can question that. And I never said anything about money.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    I'm going to respond to this post, and your most recent post in the chain, together in this comment because it's easier that way. >Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. It does answer the question, you just don't like the answer. Notice how I'm not questioning the why behind why you choose to value how many units of his product he has sold over how he treats others? The simple fact of the matter is that many people put "people over profits" for many reasons - I am but one person and cannot answer for them. This is no different from why you can't speak to why every single Musk fan supports him, because everyone's reasons are different. >No one owes me anything. And yet you have repeatedly said... >The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation. I'm not sure how you can say people don't owe you anything when you've demanded it repeatedly. >... Elon Must being a mean person on twitter... Actually, I've been speaking broadly this entire time. When I reference how Musk treats people, I am referencing everything he does, not just his actions on Twitter. I think what this ultimately boils down to is akin to the question you first posed in this thread - "If you hate Elon Musk, consider probing your mind deeply to figure out why." I would like to ask you, why is it so important to you what other people think about Elon Musk, and why do you seem to let it bother you so much if they don't like him? He doesn't seem to let the court of public opinion bother him or hold him back from doing nearly whatever he wants, so he's going to keep doing what he's been doing regardless of what other people think. With that in mind, what does it matter to you - you, who isn't Elon Musk - if an internet stranger isn't a fan of him?
    - slibhb 5y ago
      > So, I don't think that you suggesting that business success outweighing how you treat people is "insane" I never said business success outweighs how you treat people. I said, in the specific case of Elon Musk, what he has built outweighs his obnoxious attitude. That's a specific, not a generality. Anyway, we've arrived at a conclusion. To you, values are relative. That's an answer but it's not acceptable to me.

by slibhb 5y ago

Loughla 5y ago

You're just missing the point entirely. Some people believe his shitty attitude far outweighs any economic value he has created, or wealth he has amassed. To them, your attitude is bizarre and demands an explanation. To them, you should value someone who is a decent person over any money they make. OP wasn't saying Elon Musk is a shithead. S/he was pointing out that both things can be true - he can be a shithead, and he can create wealth and innovation. Both can be true, and some people will place value on one over the other, much as you have done.

slibhb 5y ago
How did I miss the point? I summarized exactly what you wrote in the post you responded to. We can't talk to each other because you're coming from a value-relative perspective ("people value different things, no one is wrong, and we can't say why"). To me this is insane. If someone values 5 dollars more than their life, we can question that. When people say Elon Must being a mean person on twitter outweighs everything he's built, we can question that. And I never said anything about money.
- jjulius 5y ago
  I'm going to respond to this post, and your most recent post in the chain, together in this comment because it's easier that way. >Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. It does answer the question, you just don't like the answer. Notice how I'm not questioning the why behind why you choose to value how many units of his product he has sold over how he treats others? The simple fact of the matter is that many people put "people over profits" for many reasons - I am but one person and cannot answer for them. This is no different from why you can't speak to why every single Musk fan supports him, because everyone's reasons are different. >No one owes me anything. And yet you have repeatedly said... >The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation. I'm not sure how you can say people don't owe you anything when you've demanded it repeatedly. >... Elon Must being a mean person on twitter... Actually, I've been speaking broadly this entire time. When I reference how Musk treats people, I am referencing everything he does, not just his actions on Twitter. I think what this ultimately boils down to is akin to the question you first posed in this thread - "If you hate Elon Musk, consider probing your mind deeply to figure out why." I would like to ask you, why is it so important to you what other people think about Elon Musk, and why do you seem to let it bother you so much if they don't like him? He doesn't seem to let the court of public opinion bother him or hold him back from doing nearly whatever he wants, so he's going to keep doing what he's been doing regardless of what other people think. With that in mind, what does it matter to you - you, who isn't Elon Musk - if an internet stranger isn't a fan of him?
  - slibhb 5y ago
    > So, I don't think that you suggesting that business success outweighing how you treat people is "insane" I never said business success outweighs how you treat people. I said, in the specific case of Elon Musk, what he has built outweighs his obnoxious attitude. That's a specific, not a generality. Anyway, we've arrived at a conclusion. To you, values are relative. That's an answer but it's not acceptable to me.