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There is no need for influence, bribery, or espionage. It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy. Russian gas "won" on the market. Regardless o

There is no need for influence, bribery, or espionage. It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy. Russian gas "won" on the market. Regardless of what route Germany takes from here, it's almost certain they'll be paying more in energy costs.

petre 5y ago
Yes, if you rule out nuclear, than Russian gas was maybe the cheapest. Energiewende fail. They are so addicted to it that they even wanted to brand natural gas as a non greenhouse energy source. This was a central point of German decarbonization prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And the culprits are mainly the OPEC lobby and the Greens. With 70% electricity generated from nuclear, France does not have this problem. It's one of the things that de Gaulle got right. The others were vive la republique and fight the enemy at all costs instead of making concessions and armistices.
rs999gti 5y ago
> It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy. What about the nuclear reactors that DE chose to shut down for Russian natural gas?
- type0 5y ago
  You can thank huge Russia funded "green" movement for that
  - panick21_ 5y ago
    German were incredibly anti-nuclear long before. Blaming this on Russia is nonsense.
    - t98241hr3240o4w 5y ago
      And nuclear is anything but cheaper, full green glasses down but just looking economically - stop that myth :(
      - panick21_ 5y ago
        Nuclear might not have been competitive against gas or coal but nothing was. Funny how everybody is willing to pay extra and throw decades of support behind solar/wind but not nuclear. And nuclear if you actually produce them in larger numbers it actually gets quite cheap. Had Germany spend all the money they put into solar/wind into nuclear 20 years ago they would be finishing 1-2 nuclear reactor each year right now.
    - rs999gti 5y ago
      DE doesn't want anything nuclear - they just vetoed to keep their existing nuclear plants online, even with their huge dependence on Russian gas - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-ministries-say-cannot-recommend-extending-nuclear-plants-lifetime-2022-03-08/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-ministries-say-c... DE wants to instead setup other renewables, such as wind, at Tesla speed. Comparing DE government bureaucracy to Musk's Tesla is ludicrous.
  - jsnodlin 5y ago

petre 5y ago

Yes, if you rule out nuclear, than Russian gas was maybe the cheapest. Energiewende fail. They are so addicted to it that they even wanted to brand natural gas as a non greenhouse energy source. This was a central point of German decarbonization prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And the culprits are mainly the OPEC lobby and the Greens. With 70% electricity generated from nuclear, France does not have this problem. It's one of the things that de Gaulle got right. The others were vive la republique and fight the enemy at all costs instead of making concessions and armistices.

rs999gti 5y ago

> It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy. What about the nuclear reactors that DE chose to shut down for Russian natural gas?

type0 5y ago
You can thank huge Russia funded "green" movement for that
- panick21_ 5y ago
  German were incredibly anti-nuclear long before. Blaming this on Russia is nonsense.
  - t98241hr3240o4w 5y ago
    And nuclear is anything but cheaper, full green glasses down but just looking economically - stop that myth :(
    - panick21_ 5y ago
      Nuclear might not have been competitive against gas or coal but nothing was. Funny how everybody is willing to pay extra and throw decades of support behind solar/wind but not nuclear. And nuclear if you actually produce them in larger numbers it actually gets quite cheap. Had Germany spend all the money they put into solar/wind into nuclear 20 years ago they would be finishing 1-2 nuclear reactor each year right now.
  - rs999gti 5y ago
    DE doesn't want anything nuclear - they just vetoed to keep their existing nuclear plants online, even with their huge dependence on Russian gas - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-ministries-say-cannot-recommend-extending-nuclear-plants-lifetime-2022-03-08/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-ministries-say-c... DE wants to instead setup other renewables, such as wind, at Tesla speed. Comparing DE government bureaucracy to Musk's Tesla is ludicrous.
- jsnodlin 5y ago