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One problem is the culture he's created at his other companies. "Black Tesla employees describe a culture of racism: ‘I was at my breaking point’ " https://www

One problem is the culture he's created at his other companies. "Black Tesla employees describe a culture of racism: ‘I was at my breaking point’ " https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesla-employees-fremont-plant-racism-california-lawsuit https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesl... "California sues Tesla, alleging rampant racism at factory" https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1080884899/california-sues-tesla-alleging-rampant-racism-at-factory https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1080884899/california-sues-te... "Black workers accused Tesla of racism for years. Now California is stepping in" https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/18/tesla-california-racial-harassment-discrimination-lawsuit https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/18/tesla-cal...

bequanna 5y ago
I'm sure this is all 100% true and in no way backlash for Musk's decision to shift operations away from California and very loud criticism of CA's politicians/bureaucrats.
- jack_squat 5y ago
  Do you think that's how it works? I have no idea, what's your evidence? California's actions seems pretty consistent with this to me: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.319709/gov.uscourts.cand.319709.57.0_1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.31...
  - bequanna 5y ago
    > Do you think that's how it works? I have no idea, what's your evidence? Do I think that people leverage their positions of power in the govt to strike blows when they are offended or threatened? Absolutely.
    - mywittyname 5y ago
      He lost in court, multiple times. And he'll probably continue to lose. It's not that people in the government have a vendetta against him. He's just petulant and thinks himself above the law. So, while I'm sure it's enjoyable to to knock him down a peg, he's doing it to himself allowing blatantly illegal shit to happen in his companies.
blueflow 5y ago
Is he doing like, bad things, or this is the regular everyday "racism" name-calling again? I'm having a "The boy who cried wolf" moment right now.
- boc 5y ago
  Normally I'd agree, but his father made his fortune from emerald mining in apartheid South Africa. Elon went to an all-white prep school that explicitly didn't allow black students. There's a pretty high chance that Elon was raised in a household that may not have been amazing on the whole racism front.
  - drooby 5y ago
    This is probably not accurate. https://www.insidehook.com/article/history/errol-musk-elon-father-myths https://www.insidehook.com/article/history/errol-musk-elon-f... Looks like his fathers background is actually hard to pin down. A biographer of Musk believes his father made most of his wealth from his engineering business. > Elon was born on June 28, 1971, to Errol and his wife Maye Musk when they were both in their 20s. This is important because the parents divorced in 1979, nine years after getting married, and it wasn’t until the mid-1980s that the emerald mine in question came into the picture. > The family owned one of the biggest houses in Pretoria thanks to the success of Errol’s engineering business,” a business that included “large projects such as office buildings, retail complexes, residential subdivisions, and an air force base.” Elon even admitted his father is “brilliant at engineering” despite being an overall “terrible human being.”
    - boc 5y ago
      The source on the emerald mine is Errol himself during an interview with Business Insider South Africa: https://www.businessinsider.co.za/how-elon-musks-family-came-to-own-an-emerald-mine-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.co.za/how-elon-musks-family-came... It's a primary source, not speculation. Here's some additional context: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-dad-tells-bi-about-the-familys-casual-attitude-to-wealth-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-dad-tells-bi-abou...
tim333 5y ago
Tesla answered that quite well on their blog https://www.tesla.com/blog/dfehs-misguided-lawsuit https://www.tesla.com/blog/dfehs-misguided-lawsuit I've not heard Musk being accused of being personally racist - that was more one contractor used racist language in the presence of some other contractor stuff.
NelsonMinar 5y ago
It's remarkable how all the replies to my message here completely ignore the comments in the articles made by actual Tesla employees who've been victims of racism.
- VerminOctopus1 5y ago
  People can’t escape their ideologies. This website is as tribal as anywhere else (actually, honestly worse than the median). Accepting that Tesla fosters and promotes a racist work environment is unthinkable for ideologues of a certain stripe.
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- wilg 5y ago
  To me, it doesn't seem likely (from the evidence I've seen) that Elon has created a culture of racism at Tesla such that it led to some blue-collar auto workers making racist jokes and comments to each other in the factory. I am sure that happened, and it is awful, and Tesla should answer for it in court and through the proper channels. But to some degree, this seems like the type of thing that (unfortunately) can happen in an environment like that. It doesn't seem like there is much indication that is a part of Tesla at a high level or happening in Elon's other companies. (Also all 3 of those articles refer to the same lawsuit.)

bequanna 5y ago

I'm sure this is all 100% true and in no way backlash for Musk's decision to shift operations away from California and very loud criticism of CA's politicians/bureaucrats.

jack_squat 5y ago
Do you think that's how it works? I have no idea, what's your evidence? California's actions seems pretty consistent with this to me: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.319709/gov.uscourts.cand.319709.57.0_1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.31...
- bequanna 5y ago
  > Do you think that's how it works? I have no idea, what's your evidence? Do I think that people leverage their positions of power in the govt to strike blows when they are offended or threatened? Absolutely.
  - mywittyname 5y ago
    He lost in court, multiple times. And he'll probably continue to lose. It's not that people in the government have a vendetta against him. He's just petulant and thinks himself above the law. So, while I'm sure it's enjoyable to to knock him down a peg, he's doing it to himself allowing blatantly illegal shit to happen in his companies.

blueflow 5y ago

Is he doing like, bad things, or this is the regular everyday "racism" name-calling again? I'm having a "The boy who cried wolf" moment right now.

boc 5y ago
Normally I'd agree, but his father made his fortune from emerald mining in apartheid South Africa. Elon went to an all-white prep school that explicitly didn't allow black students. There's a pretty high chance that Elon was raised in a household that may not have been amazing on the whole racism front.
- drooby 5y ago
  This is probably not accurate. https://www.insidehook.com/article/history/errol-musk-elon-father-myths https://www.insidehook.com/article/history/errol-musk-elon-f... Looks like his fathers background is actually hard to pin down. A biographer of Musk believes his father made most of his wealth from his engineering business. > Elon was born on June 28, 1971, to Errol and his wife Maye Musk when they were both in their 20s. This is important because the parents divorced in 1979, nine years after getting married, and it wasn’t until the mid-1980s that the emerald mine in question came into the picture. > The family owned one of the biggest houses in Pretoria thanks to the success of Errol’s engineering business,” a business that included “large projects such as office buildings, retail complexes, residential subdivisions, and an air force base.” Elon even admitted his father is “brilliant at engineering” despite being an overall “terrible human being.”
  - boc 5y ago
    The source on the emerald mine is Errol himself during an interview with Business Insider South Africa: https://www.businessinsider.co.za/how-elon-musks-family-came-to-own-an-emerald-mine-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.co.za/how-elon-musks-family-came... It's a primary source, not speculation. Here's some additional context: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-dad-tells-bi-about-the-familys-casual-attitude-to-wealth-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-dad-tells-bi-abou...

tim333 5y ago

Tesla answered that quite well on their blog https://www.tesla.com/blog/dfehs-misguided-lawsuit https://www.tesla.com/blog/dfehs-misguided-lawsuit I've not heard Musk being accused of being personally racist - that was more one contractor used racist language in the presence of some other contractor stuff.

NelsonMinar 5y ago

It's remarkable how all the replies to my message here completely ignore the comments in the articles made by actual Tesla employees who've been victims of racism.

VerminOctopus1 5y ago
People can’t escape their ideologies. This website is as tribal as anywhere else (actually, honestly worse than the median). Accepting that Tesla fosters and promotes a racist work environment is unthinkable for ideologues of a certain stripe.
- deleted 5y ago
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wilg 5y ago
To me, it doesn't seem likely (from the evidence I've seen) that Elon has created a culture of racism at Tesla such that it led to some blue-collar auto workers making racist jokes and comments to each other in the factory. I am sure that happened, and it is awful, and Tesla should answer for it in court and through the proper channels. But to some degree, this seems like the type of thing that (unfortunately) can happen in an environment like that. It doesn't seem like there is much indication that is a part of Tesla at a high level or happening in Elon's other companies. (Also all 3 of those articles refer to the same lawsuit.)