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The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've

by slibhb 5y ago

The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter.

jjulius 5y ago
>The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? I truly don't know how else to make my previous post any clearer to you. The simple fact of the matter is that everyone has their own personal reasons for putting more importance on one thing over another. Nobody ever owes you an explanation for why they might put more importance on how someone treats someone over how many units of a product they sell. I could speculate as to any number of reasons why that may be, but for the sake of this conversation, that's not my place. I will, however, say that I'm incredibly surprised and perplexed by your inability to understand that there are people out there who "place people over profits". >You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter. As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. All I can say is that what I've alluded to, in regards to how he treats people and his employees, are all things that have been very publicly discussed in the past and should be surprising to nobody who has paid even a modicum of attention.
- thepasswordis 5y ago
  >As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. You literally called him a "shitty preson", and you're saying you're not taking a position on him. Are you joking?
  - jjulius 5y ago
    I did not call him a shitty person. Here's are the full two sentences: >Yes, by many measures, he has been incredibly successful at both running businesses and amassing wealth. There are a lot of metrics that you could cite that support that assertion. >At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. I simply said that there are reasons people could successfully argue that he's shitty. What I did not do, however, was take a position on those arguments. The phrase, "You could successfully argue" does not mean, "This is what I believe".
    - thepasswordis 5y ago
      Oh yeah okay """""people""""" could argue that he's a shitty person, but of course you aren't. Have a nice day man. I'm not replying to you anymore.
      - jjulius 5y ago
        One thing that I might suggest you do is to ask yourself why it seems so important to you that other people like Elon Musk, and why you let it bother you so much if they don't. After all, he's going to keep doing what he's doing (and has been, for years) regardless of public opinion - so what does it matter to you if an internet stranger isn't a fan? I truly hope you have a pleasant day as well. :)
- slibhb 5y ago
  Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. No one owes me anything. I'm asking a question and you're not answering it, you're just restating "some people value different things and we can't say why". My point is that people should value Elon's accomplishments more than his attitude. The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation.
  - Loughla 5y ago
    You're just missing the point entirely. Some people believe his shitty attitude far outweighs any economic value he has created, or wealth he has amassed. To them, your attitude is bizarre and demands an explanation. To them, you should value someone who is a decent person over any money they make. OP wasn't saying Elon Musk is a shithead. S/he was pointing out that both things can be true - he can be a shithead, and he can create wealth and innovation. Both can be true, and some people will place value on one over the other, much as you have done.
    - slibhb 5y ago
      How did I miss the point? I summarized exactly what you wrote in the post you responded to. We can't talk to each other because you're coming from a value-relative perspective ("people value different things, no one is wrong, and we can't say why"). To me this is insane. If someone values 5 dollars more than their life, we can question that. When people say Elon Must being a mean person on twitter outweighs everything he's built, we can question that. And I never said anything about money.
      - jjulius 5y ago
        I'm going to respond to this post, and your most recent post in the chain, together in this comment because it's easier that way. >Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. It does answer the question, you just don't like the answer. Notice how I'm not questioning the why behind why you choose to value how many units of his product he has sold over how he treats others? The simple fact of the matter is that many people put "people over profits" for many reasons - I am but one person and cannot answer for them. This is no different from why you can't speak to why every single Musk fan supports him, because everyone's reasons are different. >No one owes me anything. And yet you have repeatedly said... >The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation. I'm not sure how you can say people don't owe you anything when you've demanded it repeatedly. >... Elon Must being a mean person on twitter... Actually, I've been speaking broadly this entire time. When I reference how Musk treats people, I am referencing everything he does, not just his actions on Twitter. I think what this ultimately boils down to is akin to the question you first posed in this thread - "If you hate Elon Musk, consider probing your mind deeply to figure out why." I would like to ask you, why is it so important to you what other people think about Elon Musk, and why do you seem to let it bother you so much if they don't like him? He doesn't seem to let the court of public opinion bother him or hold him back from doing nearly whatever he wants, so he's going to keep doing what he's been doing regardless of what other people think. With that in mind, what does it matter to you - you, who isn't Elon Musk - if an internet stranger isn't a fan of him?
mschuster91 5y ago
> You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly Leaving aside the stunt where he called a rescue diver a pedophile, there has been enough and substantially bad racism at Tesla under his leadership that the company was ordered to pay 137 million dollars [1]. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-to-ex-worker-over-hostile-work-environment-racism.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-t...

by slibhb 5y ago

jjulius 5y ago

>The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? I truly don't know how else to make my previous post any clearer to you. The simple fact of the matter is that everyone has their own personal reasons for putting more importance on one thing over another. Nobody ever owes you an explanation for why they might put more importance on how someone treats someone over how many units of a product they sell. I could speculate as to any number of reasons why that may be, but for the sake of this conversation, that's not my place. I will, however, say that I'm incredibly surprised and perplexed by your inability to understand that there are people out there who "place people over profits". >You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter. As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. All I can say is that what I've alluded to, in regards to how he treats people and his employees, are all things that have been very publicly discussed in the past and should be surprising to nobody who has paid even a modicum of attention.

thepasswordis 5y ago
>As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. You literally called him a "shitty preson", and you're saying you're not taking a position on him. Are you joking?
- jjulius 5y ago
  I did not call him a shitty person. Here's are the full two sentences: >Yes, by many measures, he has been incredibly successful at both running businesses and amassing wealth. There are a lot of metrics that you could cite that support that assertion. >At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. I simply said that there are reasons people could successfully argue that he's shitty. What I did not do, however, was take a position on those arguments. The phrase, "You could successfully argue" does not mean, "This is what I believe".
  - thepasswordis 5y ago
    Oh yeah okay """""people""""" could argue that he's a shitty person, but of course you aren't. Have a nice day man. I'm not replying to you anymore.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      One thing that I might suggest you do is to ask yourself why it seems so important to you that other people like Elon Musk, and why you let it bother you so much if they don't. After all, he's going to keep doing what he's doing (and has been, for years) regardless of public opinion - so what does it matter to you if an internet stranger isn't a fan? I truly hope you have a pleasant day as well. :)
slibhb 5y ago
Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. No one owes me anything. I'm asking a question and you're not answering it, you're just restating "some people value different things and we can't say why". My point is that people should value Elon's accomplishments more than his attitude. The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation.
- Loughla 5y ago
  You're just missing the point entirely. Some people believe his shitty attitude far outweighs any economic value he has created, or wealth he has amassed. To them, your attitude is bizarre and demands an explanation. To them, you should value someone who is a decent person over any money they make. OP wasn't saying Elon Musk is a shithead. S/he was pointing out that both things can be true - he can be a shithead, and he can create wealth and innovation. Both can be true, and some people will place value on one over the other, much as you have done.
  - slibhb 5y ago
    How did I miss the point? I summarized exactly what you wrote in the post you responded to. We can't talk to each other because you're coming from a value-relative perspective ("people value different things, no one is wrong, and we can't say why"). To me this is insane. If someone values 5 dollars more than their life, we can question that. When people say Elon Must being a mean person on twitter outweighs everything he's built, we can question that. And I never said anything about money.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      I'm going to respond to this post, and your most recent post in the chain, together in this comment because it's easier that way. >Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. It does answer the question, you just don't like the answer. Notice how I'm not questioning the why behind why you choose to value how many units of his product he has sold over how he treats others? The simple fact of the matter is that many people put "people over profits" for many reasons - I am but one person and cannot answer for them. This is no different from why you can't speak to why every single Musk fan supports him, because everyone's reasons are different. >No one owes me anything. And yet you have repeatedly said... >The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation. I'm not sure how you can say people don't owe you anything when you've demanded it repeatedly. >... Elon Must being a mean person on twitter... Actually, I've been speaking broadly this entire time. When I reference how Musk treats people, I am referencing everything he does, not just his actions on Twitter. I think what this ultimately boils down to is akin to the question you first posed in this thread - "If you hate Elon Musk, consider probing your mind deeply to figure out why." I would like to ask you, why is it so important to you what other people think about Elon Musk, and why do you seem to let it bother you so much if they don't like him? He doesn't seem to let the court of public opinion bother him or hold him back from doing nearly whatever he wants, so he's going to keep doing what he's been doing regardless of what other people think. With that in mind, what does it matter to you - you, who isn't Elon Musk - if an internet stranger isn't a fan of him?

mschuster91 5y ago

> You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly Leaving aside the stunt where he called a rescue diver a pedophile, there has been enough and substantially bad racism at Tesla under his leadership that the company was ordered to pay 137 million dollars [1]. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-to-ex-worker-over-hostile-work-environment-racism.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-t...