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Please note that pnpm is currently blocking all traffic from Russia and Belarus https://twitter.com/pnpmjs/status/1498306992577957890 https://twitter.com/pnpmjs

Please note that pnpm is currently blocking all traffic from Russia and Belarus https://twitter.com/pnpmjs/status/1498306992577957890 https://twitter.com/pnpmjs/status/1498306992577957890

duxup 5y ago
"We will unblock it when you stop the war and de-occupy all the Ukrainian territory." There's what, maybe a handful of people who can make that happen?
- hbn 5y ago
  I'm sure Putin is reeling that he can't use an obscure package manager for his web projects
  - hirako2000 5y ago
    the idea is to anger the citizens so that they then turn their anger against Putin. it doesn't matter that Putin is not directly impacted. I fundamentally disagree with the blockade. this moves makes this project incompatible with open source licensing. if anyone is interested in this sub thread, it diverge from the discussion around the tool itself, but note that all the project standing for Ukraine in this manner are: - breaking one of the fundamental principle of open source - pretty risky to use. what if your locality also becomes block-listed. - demonstrates a poor judgment from their authors, who more often than not are reluctant to debate/reconsider their position. Reactions to extreme circumstances can understandably be emotional, it doesn't imply that logical criticisms are necessarily insensitive.
- afavour 5y ago
  Russian TV is wall to wall coverage about their highly successful campaign to eradicate Ukrainian Nazis. An action like this might at least be a small hint to everyday Russians that things aren’t as they appear.
  - leshenka 5y ago
    “error 1020” is not a very descriptive thing and I bet that a regular person would just think the site is broken
- zkochan 5y ago
  That was the deal a few weeks ago. After the atrocities that their army has committed in my country, I do not think I will ever unblock traffic from Russian Federation.
  - ttybird2 5y ago
    Oh, I thought that you were Hungarian (after reading https://github.com/pnpm/pnpm/issues/1080#issuecomment-373872267 https://github.com/pnpm/pnpm/issues/1080#issuecomment-373872...), but I guess you are both? Your reaction makes more sense in that case. Although I do hope that you will reconsider the idea of a permanent block, I believe that open source (and the world in general) would be much worse and divides between nations would be greater if Greek software blocked Turkey, Israeli software blocked Germany, middle eastern software blocked the US, etc.
  - jrochkind1 5y ago
    If that's how it works, there's a lot of people on the planet who have good reason to block traffic from the USA. Fortunately for me as a developer in the USA, I guess most of them, in the Global south, aren't developers, or know they can't be successful as developers blocking traffic from the USA, no matter how many atrocities the US military or intelligence have committed in their countries. :(. I guess if they wanted to try, it's an interesting question if that would be some kind of effective action in changing US atrocious behavior. Probably not. :( That said, this is basically a form of boycott. There does seem to have been some significant change of opinion around the value and ethics of the tool, from when the main example we had was the BDS movement called by Palestinian civil society against Israel. (Which by the way, does not in fact call for doing things like blocking all network access to those in Israel, what people are doing against Russia is way broader and less targetted than what the... more controversial(?) Palestinian-led BDS has done or called for against Israel. Which is interesting.)
    - zkochan 5y ago
      In the USA there are different people. Good and bad. There are states that are very conservative and there is California. There are some basic values that everyone agrees upon. I think nobody can claim that everyone is bad or good in the US. Same goes for any other democratic society. Same goes for Ukraine. There are a lot of people that I don't like in Ukraine. In Russia there are some good people but they are in extreme minority. Extreme. Even the liberals in Russia are supporting the annexation of Crimea. Maybe the dictatorship is the reason, maybe the propaganda. I don't know and I don't care. This is how it is and I do what I can to exclude them from my life.
zkochan 5y ago
Слава Україні!
- webknjaz 5y ago
  Героям Слава!
triyambakam 5y ago
And then they suggest that Russian users use a VPN to get through. I don't understand this line of thinking at all.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  If Russians get used to using VPNs, they might have more opportunity to check independent news sources and see how the war is going, and what people in other countries think. Ironically, blocking Russian IP addresses could be seen as a form of non-violent protest against Russian web censorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Ru...
  - hirako2000 5y ago
    People in Russia have access to millions of independent sources.
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laurent123456 5y ago
It seems the main maintainer is from Ukraine so I can see how he got there. https://github.com/zkochan https://github.com/zkochan

Please note that pnpm is currently blocking all traffic from Russia and Belarus https://twitter.com/pnpmjs/status/1498306992577957890 https://twitter.com/pnpmjs/status/1498306992577957890

duxup 5y ago

"We will unblock it when you stop the war and de-occupy all the Ukrainian territory." There's what, maybe a handful of people who can make that happen?

hbn 5y ago
I'm sure Putin is reeling that he can't use an obscure package manager for his web projects
- hirako2000 5y ago
  the idea is to anger the citizens so that they then turn their anger against Putin. it doesn't matter that Putin is not directly impacted. I fundamentally disagree with the blockade. this moves makes this project incompatible with open source licensing. if anyone is interested in this sub thread, it diverge from the discussion around the tool itself, but note that all the project standing for Ukraine in this manner are: - breaking one of the fundamental principle of open source - pretty risky to use. what if your locality also becomes block-listed. - demonstrates a poor judgment from their authors, who more often than not are reluctant to debate/reconsider their position. Reactions to extreme circumstances can understandably be emotional, it doesn't imply that logical criticisms are necessarily insensitive.
afavour 5y ago
Russian TV is wall to wall coverage about their highly successful campaign to eradicate Ukrainian Nazis. An action like this might at least be a small hint to everyday Russians that things aren’t as they appear.
- leshenka 5y ago
  “error 1020” is not a very descriptive thing and I bet that a regular person would just think the site is broken
zkochan 5y ago
That was the deal a few weeks ago. After the atrocities that their army has committed in my country, I do not think I will ever unblock traffic from Russian Federation.
- ttybird2 5y ago
  Oh, I thought that you were Hungarian (after reading https://github.com/pnpm/pnpm/issues/1080#issuecomment-373872267 https://github.com/pnpm/pnpm/issues/1080#issuecomment-373872...), but I guess you are both? Your reaction makes more sense in that case. Although I do hope that you will reconsider the idea of a permanent block, I believe that open source (and the world in general) would be much worse and divides between nations would be greater if Greek software blocked Turkey, Israeli software blocked Germany, middle eastern software blocked the US, etc.
- jrochkind1 5y ago
  If that's how it works, there's a lot of people on the planet who have good reason to block traffic from the USA. Fortunately for me as a developer in the USA, I guess most of them, in the Global south, aren't developers, or know they can't be successful as developers blocking traffic from the USA, no matter how many atrocities the US military or intelligence have committed in their countries. :(. I guess if they wanted to try, it's an interesting question if that would be some kind of effective action in changing US atrocious behavior. Probably not. :( That said, this is basically a form of boycott. There does seem to have been some significant change of opinion around the value and ethics of the tool, from when the main example we had was the BDS movement called by Palestinian civil society against Israel. (Which by the way, does not in fact call for doing things like blocking all network access to those in Israel, what people are doing against Russia is way broader and less targetted than what the... more controversial(?) Palestinian-led BDS has done or called for against Israel. Which is interesting.)
  - zkochan 5y ago
    In the USA there are different people. Good and bad. There are states that are very conservative and there is California. There are some basic values that everyone agrees upon. I think nobody can claim that everyone is bad or good in the US. Same goes for any other democratic society. Same goes for Ukraine. There are a lot of people that I don't like in Ukraine. In Russia there are some good people but they are in extreme minority. Extreme. Even the liberals in Russia are supporting the annexation of Crimea. Maybe the dictatorship is the reason, maybe the propaganda. I don't know and I don't care. This is how it is and I do what I can to exclude them from my life.

zkochan 5y ago

Слава Україні!

webknjaz 5y ago
Героям Слава!

triyambakam 5y ago

And then they suggest that Russian users use a VPN to get through. I don't understand this line of thinking at all.

dane-pgp 5y ago
If Russians get used to using VPNs, they might have more opportunity to check independent news sources and see how the war is going, and what people in other countries think. Ironically, blocking Russian IP addresses could be seen as a form of non-violent protest against Russian web censorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_Ru...
- hirako2000 5y ago
  People in Russia have access to millions of independent sources.

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laurent123456 5y ago

It seems the main maintainer is from Ukraine so I can see how he got there. https://github.com/zkochan https://github.com/zkochan