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"On one hand you have the rockets, and cars, and all that. On the other hand you have his flippant, obnoxious attitude. Yeah, it's about even." So absurd that

by slibhb 5y ago

"On one hand you have the rockets, and cars, and all that. On the other hand you have his flippant, obnoxious attitude. Yeah, it's about even." So absurd that anyone takes that argument seriously.

jjulius 5y ago
The funny thing about life is that everyone places different levels of importance on things. You might think that innovation in EVs and space exploration far outweigh how someone treats other individuals, whereas others might place far greater importance in treating others with respect and equality over innovation in EVs and space exploration. And you know what? That's OK. :)
- slibhb 5y ago
  The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    >The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? I truly don't know how else to make my previous post any clearer to you. The simple fact of the matter is that everyone has their own personal reasons for putting more importance on one thing over another. Nobody ever owes you an explanation for why they might put more importance on how someone treats someone over how many units of a product they sell. I could speculate as to any number of reasons why that may be, but for the sake of this conversation, that's not my place. I will, however, say that I'm incredibly surprised and perplexed by your inability to understand that there are people out there who "place people over profits". >You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter. As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. All I can say is that what I've alluded to, in regards to how he treats people and his employees, are all things that have been very publicly discussed in the past and should be surprising to nobody who has paid even a modicum of attention.
    - thepasswordis 5y ago
      >As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. You literally called him a "shitty preson", and you're saying you're not taking a position on him. Are you joking?
      - jjulius 5y ago
        I did not call him a shitty person. Here's are the full two sentences: >Yes, by many measures, he has been incredibly successful at both running businesses and amassing wealth. There are a lot of metrics that you could cite that support that assertion. >At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. I simply said that there are reasons people could successfully argue that he's shitty. What I did not do, however, was take a position on those arguments. The phrase, "You could successfully argue" does not mean, "This is what I believe".
        thepasswordis 5y ago
        Oh yeah okay """""people""""" could argue that he's a shitty person, but of course you aren't. Have a nice day man. I'm not replying to you anymore.
        jjulius 5y ago
        One thing that I might suggest you do is to ask yourself why it seems so important to you that other people like Elon Musk, and why you let it bother you so much if they don't. After all, he's going to keep doing what he's doing (and has been, for years) regardless of public opinion - so what does it matter to you if an internet stranger isn't a fan? I truly hope you have a pleasant day as well. :)
    - slibhb 5y ago
      Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. No one owes me anything. I'm asking a question and you're not answering it, you're just restating "some people value different things and we can't say why". My point is that people should value Elon's accomplishments more than his attitude. The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    > You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly Leaving aside the stunt where he called a rescue diver a pedophile, there has been enough and substantially bad racism at Tesla under his leadership that the company was ordered to pay 137 million dollars [1]. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-to-ex-worker-over-hostile-work-environment-racism.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-t...

by slibhb 5y ago

"On one hand you have the rockets, and cars, and all that. On the other hand you have his flippant, obnoxious attitude. Yeah, it's about even." So absurd that anyone takes that argument seriously.

jjulius 5y ago

The funny thing about life is that everyone places different levels of importance on things. You might think that innovation in EVs and space exploration far outweigh how someone treats other individuals, whereas others might place far greater importance in treating others with respect and equality over innovation in EVs and space exploration. And you know what? That's OK. :)

slibhb 5y ago
The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter.
- jjulius 5y ago
  >The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? I truly don't know how else to make my previous post any clearer to you. The simple fact of the matter is that everyone has their own personal reasons for putting more importance on one thing over another. Nobody ever owes you an explanation for why they might put more importance on how someone treats someone over how many units of a product they sell. I could speculate as to any number of reasons why that may be, but for the sake of this conversation, that's not my place. I will, however, say that I'm incredibly surprised and perplexed by your inability to understand that there are people out there who "place people over profits". >You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter. As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. All I can say is that what I've alluded to, in regards to how he treats people and his employees, are all things that have been very publicly discussed in the past and should be surprising to nobody who has paid even a modicum of attention.
  - thepasswordis 5y ago
    >As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. You literally called him a "shitty preson", and you're saying you're not taking a position on him. Are you joking?
    - jjulius 5y ago
      I did not call him a shitty person. Here's are the full two sentences: >Yes, by many measures, he has been incredibly successful at both running businesses and amassing wealth. There are a lot of metrics that you could cite that support that assertion. >At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. I simply said that there are reasons people could successfully argue that he's shitty. What I did not do, however, was take a position on those arguments. The phrase, "You could successfully argue" does not mean, "This is what I believe".
      - thepasswordis 5y ago
        Oh yeah okay """""people""""" could argue that he's a shitty person, but of course you aren't. Have a nice day man. I'm not replying to you anymore.
        jjulius 5y ago
        One thing that I might suggest you do is to ask yourself why it seems so important to you that other people like Elon Musk, and why you let it bother you so much if they don't. After all, he's going to keep doing what he's doing (and has been, for years) regardless of public opinion - so what does it matter to you if an internet stranger isn't a fan? I truly hope you have a pleasant day as well. :)
  - slibhb 5y ago
    Your post is perfectly clear. It's just not answering the question. Ditto this post. No one owes me anything. I'm asking a question and you're not answering it, you're just restating "some people value different things and we can't say why". My point is that people should value Elon's accomplishments more than his attitude. The fact that they don't is bizarre and demands an explanation.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly Leaving aside the stunt where he called a rescue diver a pedophile, there has been enough and substantially bad racism at Tesla under his leadership that the company was ordered to pay 137 million dollars [1]. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-to-ex-worker-over-hostile-work-environment-racism.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-t...