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>If you hate Elon Musk, consider probing your mind deeply to figure out why. So, I'm going to reply to your comment but really, this is relevant to most of thi

>If you hate Elon Musk, consider probing your mind deeply to figure out why. So, I'm going to reply to your comment but really, this is relevant to most of this thread (and nearly every thread about him), because I'm just tired of these conversations. Yes, by many measures, he has been incredibly successful at both running businesses and amassing wealth. There are a lot of metrics that you could cite that support that assertion. At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. And guess what? Both are true. I don't know what my ultimate point here is besides saying that yeah - some people think he's awesome, some people think he's shitty, and neither view is technically incorrect. Move on.

slibhb 5y ago
"On one hand you have the rockets, and cars, and all that. On the other hand you have his flippant, obnoxious attitude. Yeah, it's about even." So absurd that anyone takes that argument seriously.
- jjulius 5y ago
  The funny thing about life is that everyone places different levels of importance on things. You might think that innovation in EVs and space exploration far outweigh how someone treats other individuals, whereas others might place far greater importance in treating others with respect and equality over innovation in EVs and space exploration. And you know what? That's OK. :)
  - slibhb 5y ago
    The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      >The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? I truly don't know how else to make my previous post any clearer to you. The simple fact of the matter is that everyone has their own personal reasons for putting more importance on one thing over another. Nobody ever owes you an explanation for why they might put more importance on how someone treats someone over how many units of a product they sell. I could speculate as to any number of reasons why that may be, but for the sake of this conversation, that's not my place. I will, however, say that I'm incredibly surprised and perplexed by your inability to understand that there are people out there who "place people over profits". >You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter. As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. All I can say is that what I've alluded to, in regards to how he treats people and his employees, are all things that have been very publicly discussed in the past and should be surprising to nobody who has paid even a modicum of attention.
      - thepasswordis 5y ago
        >As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. You literally called him a "shitty preson", and you're saying you're not taking a position on him. Are you joking?
        jjulius 5y ago
        I did not call him a shitty person. Here's are the full two sentences: >Yes, by many measures, he has been incredibly successful at both running businesses and amassing wealth. There are a lot of metrics that you could cite that support that assertion. >At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. I simply said that there are reasons people could successfully argue that he's shitty. What I did not do, however, was take a position on those arguments. The phrase, "You could successfully argue" does not mean, "This is what I believe".
thepasswordis 5y ago
>I'm just tired of these conversations. And yet here you are, engaging in one of them. I echo the parents request of a deep meditation on why you are feeling this way.
- jjulius 5y ago
  >And yet here you are, engaging in one of them. Pointing out the futility of a conversation is different than engaging in it. >I echo the parents request of a deep meditation on why you are feeling this way. Please highlight where, in this thread, I've stated my own feelings about Elon Musk.
  - thepasswordis 5y ago
    >Pointing out the futility of a conversation is different than engaging in it. [...] >At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. Right here.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      There's a difference between recognizing that something is a strong argument, and agreeing/disagreeing with it. I'm simply pointing out that strong arguments can be made in both directions, and commonly are in these threads. Over, and over, and over. Kind of like how this very comment chain is going, no?

slibhb 5y ago

"On one hand you have the rockets, and cars, and all that. On the other hand you have his flippant, obnoxious attitude. Yeah, it's about even." So absurd that anyone takes that argument seriously.

jjulius 5y ago
The funny thing about life is that everyone places different levels of importance on things. You might think that innovation in EVs and space exploration far outweigh how someone treats other individuals, whereas others might place far greater importance in treating others with respect and equality over innovation in EVs and space exploration. And you know what? That's OK. :)
- slibhb 5y ago
  The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    >The question I'm asking, that you keep dodging, is: what is the reason for putting more importance on someone's attitude rather than the 2 million cars they've sold and the rocket ships they've invented? I truly don't know how else to make my previous post any clearer to you. The simple fact of the matter is that everyone has their own personal reasons for putting more importance on one thing over another. Nobody ever owes you an explanation for why they might put more importance on how someone treats someone over how many units of a product they sell. I could speculate as to any number of reasons why that may be, but for the sake of this conversation, that's not my place. I will, however, say that I'm incredibly surprised and perplexed by your inability to understand that there are people out there who "place people over profits". >You hint that Elon Musk treats other people badly. Has he raped anyone? Murdered anyone? Waged any wars? Are there abuse allegations? No, he's a troll on twitter. As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. All I can say is that what I've alluded to, in regards to how he treats people and his employees, are all things that have been very publicly discussed in the past and should be surprising to nobody who has paid even a modicum of attention.
    - thepasswordis 5y ago
      >As I've made clear in this thread, I am not taking a position on Musk. You literally called him a "shitty preson", and you're saying you're not taking a position on him. Are you joking?
      - jjulius 5y ago
        I did not call him a shitty person. Here's are the full two sentences: >Yes, by many measures, he has been incredibly successful at both running businesses and amassing wealth. There are a lot of metrics that you could cite that support that assertion. >At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. I simply said that there are reasons people could successfully argue that he's shitty. What I did not do, however, was take a position on those arguments. The phrase, "You could successfully argue" does not mean, "This is what I believe".

thepasswordis 5y ago

>I'm just tired of these conversations. And yet here you are, engaging in one of them. I echo the parents request of a deep meditation on why you are feeling this way.

jjulius 5y ago
>And yet here you are, engaging in one of them. Pointing out the futility of a conversation is different than engaging in it. >I echo the parents request of a deep meditation on why you are feeling this way. Please highlight where, in this thread, I've stated my own feelings about Elon Musk.
- thepasswordis 5y ago
  >Pointing out the futility of a conversation is different than engaging in it. [...] >At the same time, by many measures, you could successfully - and easily - argue that he's a pretty shitty person. Right here.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    There's a difference between recognizing that something is a strong argument, and agreeing/disagreeing with it. I'm simply pointing out that strong arguments can be made in both directions, and commonly are in these threads. Over, and over, and over. Kind of like how this very comment chain is going, no?