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Seasonal storage and thermal batteries are pretty easy and cheap to construct. The materials tend to be cheap commodities. All you need is space to construct th
by jillesvangurp 5y ago
Seasonal storage and thermal batteries are pretty easy and cheap to construct. The materials tend to be cheap commodities. All you need is space to construct them and a way to produce the heat you use to charge them.
For example, I know of an experimental setup in the Netherlands called CESAR (https://materialdistrict.com/article/battery-natural-stone/ https://materialdistrict.com/article/battery-natural-stone/) that uses basalt rock. The basalt is heated up using solar energy in the summer. It is stored in an a metal box insulated with wool that apparently retains heat for months/years. Long enough to last the winter. You 'discharge' by pumping cold water through it. Warm water comes out. Very simple. It has been running for a few years and it seems to be cheap and work as advertised. Relative to burning gas, this looks like a nice idea.
Converting heat to electricity is more tricky and the efficiencies tend to be not great. Of course if the storage is cheap enough that might not be that big of a deal. Efficiencies are also a challenge with geothermal energy. But it's a great solution for heating buildings. This particular solution seems to work around this using molten salt which allows for a relatively large temperature gradient. But without having to drill kilometers into the earth's crust.
Probably over time, cost will decide which solutions end up getting used where and how. A good insight here is that different storage solutions serve very different purposes. You don't use lithium ion for seasonal storage. It's way too expensive for that. But it's great for short term grid balancing needs and seems to be popular for that. Vice versa, thermal mass would be probably bad for balancing the grid it's great for storing lots of energy that you use up slowly during the winter.
It's a tradeoff between how much energy you need stored, how much space you have for storing it, and how quickly you want to charge/discharge. It's telling a lot that a relatively expensive solution like lithium ion batteries are actually cost competitive with things like gas peaker plants. We can do probably do better long term. There is no shortage of good & already validated ideas in this space. All we need is good old engineering and manufacturing to prove products in the market at scale.
- mlatu 5y agothe article is about an _electrical_ battery that is seasonally heated up for usage and cooled down for the long term storage of the charge contained in it... i had only heard of molten salt batteries which need to stay hot long term, so they are heavily insulated maybe this article is talking about a primary battery (i.e. electrically not rechargable), which would make more sense
- evandijk70 5y agoIt seems really difficult to make the economics for seasonal electricity storage work. The article mention a materials cost of 23$ per kWh for their battery. Let's say this battery lasts 23 years. Transferring 1 kWh from summer to winter would than cost 1$ per kWh. That is before the cost of constructing the battery, R&D, sales, insurance, etc. Cost for 1 kWh is now below $0.10. That would mean generating electricity in summer and transferring it to the winter would come at a 10-fold increase in cost of winter electricity. For any currently available method, it seems that it would be far cheaper to simply have overcapacity in electricity generation from renewables and discard the excess electricity generated in the summer.