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WWDC22
- akmarinov 5y agoOk, can we finally get dual boot macOS/iPadOS on every M1 iPad now please? It'll immediately make the iPad one of the best laptops out there.
- imglorp 5y agoWhy would they? You might not buy one of each platform if they weren't differentiated.
- Shadonototra 5y agoYou pick a platform for a usecase, dualboot makes sense Merging 2 usages into a single experience = you flop like Win8/Win11/Gnome/Unity8 On other hand Android/ChromeOS and macOS/iOS/iPadOS is a big winner
- evilduck 5y agoThey wouldn't need to promote it forwards into the public eye like Microsoft did with Windows 8. ChromeOS being able to run linux via Crostini and Android apps isn't such a headlining feature, but it makes a Chromebook have more utility for power users. M1s are the first chip to support virtualization in iPads, they could just start supporting that avenue to enable users.
- zozbot234 5y agoTouchscreen-only use actually works really well on GNOME, perhaps best of any OS. (The default on-screen keyboard is sadly very substandard compared to something like the open source Hacker's Keyboard for AOSP, but there are workable alternatives if you're running an Xorg session.)
- SheinhardtWigCo 5y agoBuying one of each platform is a bug, not a feature. The goal is to maximize customer LTV. This hypothetical product could be strictly superior to _and_ more expensive than separate purchases of a MacBook and iPad. I wouldn't expect to see this on the Air or even Pro models as standard; it makes sense as an expensive upgrade akin to the M1 Max.
- coldtea 5y agoCannibalizing themselves is something Apple does frequently. They did it with the iPod to iPhone, for a famous example.
- Meandering 5y agoThe iPhone is a more profitable platform than iPod. Cannibalizing the iPod market was a move that maximized long-term profit. Jobs wanted the iPad to represent a unique interface and experience that was distinct from a laptop. They failed to do that and the touchscreen is the only difference that remains. Merging these products is only likely if they doesn't reduce overall expenditure on Apple products in the long-term.
- coldtea 5y ago>* Jobs wanted the iPad to represent a unique interface and experience that was distinct from a laptop. They failed to do that* Who said that? In my experience they succeeded. That's also why it's the main tablet that ever sold shitloads and still does after a decade...
- dagw 5y agoWho said that? If you look at the development of the iPad UI over the past 2-3 years it's clearly converging more and more with laptops, rather than trying to differentiate itself. The differences between a 12.9 inch iPad Pro with a Magic Keyboard and a MacBook Air are getting fewer and fewer with each OS update.
- freedomben 5y agoWouldn't this go firmly against Apple's philosophy of a tablet being "an appliance" (rather than a general purpose computer)?
- eyelidlessness 5y agoI don’t think they’ll put macOS on an iPad either, but they’ve been positioning the iPad as a computer for a long time. Even in marketing language at times.
- smoldesu 5y agoFrankly, it's really frustrating to watch them posture like this when pretty much every use-case that isn't content consumption or light content-creation is out the window. "The iPad is a computer!" Okay, what's the development experience like on it? "Well, for $19.99 you can buy a license for this app that lets you SSH into another box to do your work!" That's okay, I'm fine sticking with my laptop. How's the software situation? "It's great! You can only download the stuff Apple lets you get, or you can pay $99 a year for the privilege of loading arbitrary software." I think that's another win for the PC... at least I can do my web browsing on it, right? "Of course! Safari is a first-class experience on iPad, which is why it's the exclusive supported browser on iPadOS." Any platform with this many "gotchas" probably doesn't qualify as a computer any more than a LeapPad or a feature phone does.
- eyelidlessness 5y agoI mean, this would bother me—as in, I’d leave the platform—if they didn’t offer a bunch of other computers without any of those limitations. But then, I’m not in the target market for the iPad, and I have no interest in its features on a Mac.
- coldtea 5y ago>"The iPad is a computer!" Okay, what's the development experience like on it? Even if it's bad, development is like 1% of what computers are used for. More PC/laptop users never program anything or even know how to are care to learn.
- jonwinstanley 5y agoWon’t be as good as a MacBook though, so I doubt they’ll do it
- wil421 5y agoNo for the same reason they don't allow multiple users. They want you to buy multiple devices.
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- swatcoder 5y agoHighly capable touch-screen sensor-rich portables are carving out their own niche and that's been a great opportunity for shaking up some of the core ideas in system architecture and OS designs. This applies across all vendors for products in that class. Not only would porting macOS to iPad disturb Apple's business proposition of "why not buy both?" but it would let up on the pressure that makes iPadOS itself evolve and solve problems in its own way. I'd say just be patient and tablets will become what you want. The road to get there is a bit longer than "just port over the old stuff!" but that long road will probably keep surfacing exciting new innovations and paradigm-changes along the way.
- tonyedgecombe 5y agoI hope not, it’s too much of a compromise adding touch to a desktop os.
- SheinhardtWigCo 5y agoAt this point it's the same OS with different UI shells, so they can do better than dual boot: instantly switch to the full macOS UI when a Magic Keyboard is connected, and even preserve the state of any running apps.
- tester89 5y agoI would rather iPadOS continue its journey to achieve parity with a "fullOS". iPadOS has a lot of new concepts about how we should be computing, and it would be a shame to throw it away for what we already have. If dual boot ever becomes a thing, all momentum on improving iPadOS would probably just stop as "if you need PC-level features just use macOS".
- elpakal 5y agoIt was awfully quiet over there! Glad to see some in person things coming back around though I wonder what capacity looks like compared to San Jose.
- ghaff 5y agoI'm seeing this pattern play out in a few places in the late spring. A mostly online event with a fairly small-scale, maybe invite-only, in-person component.
- akmarinov 5y agoScrewing over the international community, as is tradition within Apple.
- ericlewis 5y ago…and everyone else who doesn’t live in Cupertino. Or maybe they’re just having a thing at their home and if you’re international and want to come and can afford it then do so.
- ghaff 5y agoA lot of companies have found that, while online participation is mostly watching video, far more can participate to at least that degree than ever could when a lot of these expensive, popular events were in-person only--with maybe a streaming keynote.
- shamiln 5y agoI was at the last WWDC in person in 2019, and well, the collective gasp at the price of the Pro Display XDR stand was quite a participation!
- unmole 5y agoYou do realise that you lose absolutely nothing of value by not watching it live, right?
- shmatt 5y agoSo the company who just can't innovate without forcing 165,000 employees back to office in April can't figure out how to run an in person event in June
- mcphage 5y agoHow big would their office have to be to hold 165,000 people?