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Your perspective is the same tired idea that the US is the only country that controls world foreign policy and everyone else just plays along. What of the Ukrai

by kcb 5y ago

Your perspective is the same tired idea that the US is the only country that controls world foreign policy and everyone else just plays along. What of the Ukrainian people?

user3939382 5y ago
Here's the US government explicitly picking the leaders of the Ukrainian government before they were put in place https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 Not to mention that leading up to this transition of power we backed a violent coup of their democratically elected government in 2014. What of the Ukrainian people in Eastern Ukraine who have been getting bombed for 7 years in a civil war? The Ukrainian people through their government agreed to the Minsk accords which would have prevented this but were then never honored. I wouldn't say this idea is tired at all, it's the opposite, it's banned and unspoken on corporate media that serves as the mouthpiece for the US government and arms industry.
- artem247 5y ago
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- megous 5y ago
  > What of the Ukrainian people in Eastern Ukraine who have been getting bombed for 7 years in a civil war? What about them, exactly? https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/511327 https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/5... There was a major decrease in ceasefire violations in 2020 and 2021. Looks like to Russia that sounded like it's time to escalate and fix "the problem" whatever that is, by starting a major war and invading straight to Kyiv of all places. I'm sure poor people of Donbas will benefit greatly from a major escalation caused by Russia, that's going to reverse all this. Whole year of reported civilian casualties by OSCE now happen in a day. > The Ukrainian people through their government agreed to the Minsk accords which would have prevented this but were then never honored. Why OSCE SMM observations of agreement violating weapons are consistenly much higher in the separatist areas, by a large margin? (80/20 or so)
  - user3939382 5y ago
    > There was a major decrease in ceasefire violations in 2020 and 2021 Yeah, according to your own linked report there were only "93,902 ceasefire violations" in 2021 with the violations clearly growing by the end of report period. I don't know anything about the credibility of this report, but your own evidence refutes your argument.
    - megous 5y ago
      You didn't explain how it refutes the argument. It's pretty obvious from the report that ceasefire violations as defined by OSCE SMM are down to one third to one fourth of years 2019 and prior.

by kcb 5y ago

Your perspective is the same tired idea that the US is the only country that controls world foreign policy and everyone else just plays along. What of the Ukrainian people?

user3939382 5y ago

Here's the US government explicitly picking the leaders of the Ukrainian government before they were put in place https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 Not to mention that leading up to this transition of power we backed a violent coup of their democratically elected government in 2014. What of the Ukrainian people in Eastern Ukraine who have been getting bombed for 7 years in a civil war? The Ukrainian people through their government agreed to the Minsk accords which would have prevented this but were then never honored. I wouldn't say this idea is tired at all, it's the opposite, it's banned and unspoken on corporate media that serves as the mouthpiece for the US government and arms industry.

artem247 5y ago
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megous 5y ago
> What of the Ukrainian people in Eastern Ukraine who have been getting bombed for 7 years in a civil war? What about them, exactly? https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/511327 https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/5... There was a major decrease in ceasefire violations in 2020 and 2021. Looks like to Russia that sounded like it's time to escalate and fix "the problem" whatever that is, by starting a major war and invading straight to Kyiv of all places. I'm sure poor people of Donbas will benefit greatly from a major escalation caused by Russia, that's going to reverse all this. Whole year of reported civilian casualties by OSCE now happen in a day. > The Ukrainian people through their government agreed to the Minsk accords which would have prevented this but were then never honored. Why OSCE SMM observations of agreement violating weapons are consistenly much higher in the separatist areas, by a large margin? (80/20 or so)
- user3939382 5y ago
  > There was a major decrease in ceasefire violations in 2020 and 2021 Yeah, according to your own linked report there were only "93,902 ceasefire violations" in 2021 with the violations clearly growing by the end of report period. I don't know anything about the credibility of this report, but your own evidence refutes your argument.
  - megous 5y ago
    You didn't explain how it refutes the argument. It's pretty obvious from the report that ceasefire violations as defined by OSCE SMM are down to one third to one fourth of years 2019 and prior.