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I sympathize but very rich people owning the media never ends well

• ariedro 5y ago
  Because that wasn't happening in the first place?
  • jdrc 5y ago
    The comparable cases are Bezos & Zuck, the parallel is Berlusconi. Yes it's all scary
  • Loughla 5y ago
    What does that matter? The original question was: >I sympathize but very rich people owning the media never ends well How does the history of the ultra-wealthy controlling the narrative in media for their own gain change that statement?
• memish 5y ago
  Who owns the media and big tech now??? It's not poor people! At least Elon Musk is a very rich person who believes in free speech. Which is good for us poors. Twitter and the national discourse will be objectively better for working class voices as a result. Less so for the gatekeepers and media elite commentariat.
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  • shmde 5y ago
    > At least Elon Musk is a very rich person who believes in free speech. Yes thats exactly why he was willing to shell out 50,000$ to a kid to remove his flight tracking bot. Stop licking his boot.
    • sixQuarks 5y ago
      Oh wow, what a great example. You have totally changed my mind. /s
    • memish 5y ago
      Nice projection. Who is licking the boots here? 1. Those who back authoritarian style censorship conducted in opaque fashion 2. Those who back free speech and transparency
      • dlp211 5y ago
        Yes, I too can't wait for the entire internet to be 4chan. There is no such thing as absolute free speech and I have no idea where you all are coming up with this idea. By definition, absolute free speech cannot exist because your speech ends where mine begins. Free speech does not mean free from moderation or consequences and criticisms, both are forms of speech themselves. There is no authoritarian censorship going on here.
        • krapp 5y ago
          >There is no such thing as absolute free speech and I have no idea where you all are coming up with this idea. As with so many plagues on American society and current political discourse, this came from Trump supporters, specifically angry at being banned from social media platforms for hate speech and disinformation, and suddenly deciding that rules and social consequences for their behavior were a violation of their civil rights. The attempt to redefine free speech is part of a movement to impugn social media platforms as engaging in widespread politically motivated suppression of free speech, with the implication they need to be forced by law to host the kind of content they would otherwise refuse to.
        • MockObject 5y ago
          > absolute free speech This is a strawman argument, that nobody seriously proposed.
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  • rplnt 5y ago
    > At least Elon Musk is a very rich person who believes in free speech. He believes in his free speech. Maybe. Definitely not when it comes to people who work for him or people that criticize him.
    • psyc 5y ago
      If you believe every free speech proponent secretly means speech they like, you may be projecting. To be fair, I may also be projecting.
    • sillysaurusx 5y ago
      What evidence is there of this? Honestly this thread has been pushing me more towards the Musk camp, which I didn't think was possible. But not one person seems to be able to point to specific, concrete criticisms with references.
      • rplnt 5y ago
        I mean, it's covered enough in media. e.g.: https://www.businessinsider.com/free-speech-absolutist-elon-musk-censors-employees-critics-2022-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/free-speech-absolutist-elon-... His reactions towards criticism (like harassing or banning journalist criticizing Tesla, or that whole fiasco with his submarine) are always well covered too. And while it's not exactly suppressing free speech, that level of pettiness doesn't look too good. Also, how is this pushing you towards the Musk camp? (The fact that there's such thing, and there is, is troubling on its own)
  • rc_mob 5y ago
    Elon Musk definitely does not believe in free speech that criticizes Elon Musk.
    • jesushax 5y ago
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  • chollida1 5y ago
    > At least Elon Musk is a very rich person who believes in free speech Tell that to the people who released valid short research on Tesla.
• jpadkins 5y ago
  isn't by definition that very rich people own the media? Or was there a time period where the media wasn't very profitable and the people who owned them weren't very rich?
  • jdrc 5y ago
    i think not. before bezos, elon and zuck they were not owned by the richest-of-the-rich.