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Having to use Google or GitHub to log into Tailscale definitely gave me pause when I was signing up. I actually pumped the brakes for a few months when I first

Having to use Google or GitHub to log into Tailscale definitely gave me pause when I was signing up. I actually pumped the brakes for a few months when I first encountered that, but eventually relented and chose GitHub. I don't particularly _want_ another login, but I also don't cherish the thought of losing access to Service A because of the actions of Service B.

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aftbit 5y ago
Agreed, I also am not using tailscale because of this choice.
afeiszli 5y ago
I'd like to offer Netmaker as an alternative. Caveat, I'm one of the creators so grain of salt, etc. It's completely self-hosted, so none of your traffic will go through our servers. You can also use basic auth by default (though there is also OAuth). Finally, as a bonus, it's much faster because you can use kernel WireGuard. I won't claim it's as user-friendly as Tailscale (yet). It definitely requires more technical knowledge to set up, especially considering it's not a SaaS. But if you're willing to get through the initial setup (Day 0 / Day 1), you should be golden.
- adamcstephens 5y ago
  What is your solution for mobile clients? A quick perusal didn't show anything in the docs.
  - afeiszli 5y ago
    We don't have our own mobile client yet, so right now we rely on the WireGuard app. You configure a gateway, and then generate raw WireGuard configs + QR codes which hook them into the network: https://docs.netmaker.org/external-clients.html https://docs.netmaker.org/external-clients.html
mr337 5y ago
Same here, for something that they pitch as being so self hosted signing up without using your own email was really weird to me. Still haven't signed up....
Saris 5y ago
I'm going through this right now, the free gsuite plan is ending and I have accounts tied to it through "Login with Google". Luckily not too many, but it still strikes me just how stupid I was to use that option on any site, instead of an email and password.
- chaz6 5y ago
  You can still continue to use it free for cloud logins, you just lose access to mail/drive/calendar. https://support.google.com/cloudidentity/answer/7319251 https://support.google.com/cloudidentity/answer/7319251
  - felixg3 5y ago
    Yes, that works fine. All non-Workspace services continue to work that way. I discovered it accidentally and I am quite glad that I do not have to migrate many SSO accounts created with Google Apps / G Suite / Workspace over the last decade. The deprecation definitely taught me a lesson in avoiding vendor lockins.

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aftbit 5y ago

Agreed, I also am not using tailscale because of this choice.

afeiszli 5y ago

I'd like to offer Netmaker as an alternative. Caveat, I'm one of the creators so grain of salt, etc. It's completely self-hosted, so none of your traffic will go through our servers. You can also use basic auth by default (though there is also OAuth). Finally, as a bonus, it's much faster because you can use kernel WireGuard. I won't claim it's as user-friendly as Tailscale (yet). It definitely requires more technical knowledge to set up, especially considering it's not a SaaS. But if you're willing to get through the initial setup (Day 0 / Day 1), you should be golden.

adamcstephens 5y ago
What is your solution for mobile clients? A quick perusal didn't show anything in the docs.
- afeiszli 5y ago
  We don't have our own mobile client yet, so right now we rely on the WireGuard app. You configure a gateway, and then generate raw WireGuard configs + QR codes which hook them into the network: https://docs.netmaker.org/external-clients.html https://docs.netmaker.org/external-clients.html

mr337 5y ago

Same here, for something that they pitch as being so self hosted signing up without using your own email was really weird to me. Still haven't signed up....

Saris 5y ago

I'm going through this right now, the free gsuite plan is ending and I have accounts tied to it through "Login with Google". Luckily not too many, but it still strikes me just how stupid I was to use that option on any site, instead of an email and password.

chaz6 5y ago
You can still continue to use it free for cloud logins, you just lose access to mail/drive/calendar. https://support.google.com/cloudidentity/answer/7319251 https://support.google.com/cloudidentity/answer/7319251
- felixg3 5y ago
  Yes, that works fine. All non-Workspace services continue to work that way. I discovered it accidentally and I am quite glad that I do not have to migrate many SSO accounts created with Google Apps / G Suite / Workspace over the last decade. The deprecation definitely taught me a lesson in avoiding vendor lockins.