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Chopping up sequences of film, and stiching them together, based on their prior similarity isn't making a movie -- and that's all you have here. People wrote po
by mjburgess 5y ago
Chopping up sequences of film, and stiching them together, based on their prior similarity isn't making a movie -- and that's all you have here. People wrote poetry -- *for the first time* -- to say something about their own environment, that they are present in. All you have here is a system which has remembered a compressed representation of these poems and stiches them together to fool you.
It really is a kind of proto-psychosis to think this machine has written a poem. It has generated the text of a poem.
> quantifiable predictions of behaviour that you want to see
This is trivial. I ask the machine a large number of ordinary questions, eg., "what do you think about what i'm wearing?", "what would it take to change your mind on whether murder is justified?", "do you think you'd like new york?", "could you pass me the salt?", etc. -- a trivial infinity of questions lifted from the daily life of language users.
The machine cannot answer any of those questions. All it will do is generate some text on the occasion that the machine sees that text. This isn't an answer. That isnt the question. The question isnt "summarise a million documents and report an on-average plausible answer to these questions".
When I ask a person any of those questions, if they did that, they wouldnt be answering them. This is trivial to observe.
These systems are just taking modes() of subsets of historical data. That's just what they are. The appearence of their using language is an illusion
To use language is to have something to say, to wish to talk about something. When i say, "I liked the movie!" I am not summarising a million reviews and finding an average sentence. I am thinking about my experience of the movie, and generating a public sharable "text" that aims to communicate what i actually think.
*THAT* is language. Language is your intention to speak *ABOUT* something, and the capacity to generate a public shared set of words which communicate what you are talking about. Any process which begins *without anything to say* cannot ever reach langauge as a capacity.
Langauge, as a capacity, begins by being in the world. No summary of the public statmenets of past speakers has anything to do with being in the world; and having things to say. Chopping that up and stiching it together is a trick.
And this is trivial to show empirically. It is only by having absolutely no study of langauge use can anyone claim that text documents have anything ot do with it. IT's mumbohjumbo.
- nl 5y agoI see. You believe there is something unmeasureable that matters. I don't. I believe a perfect simulation of intelligence is intelligence.
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- mjburgess 5y agoIt's not unmeasurable. If you ask a friend, "did you like that movie?" would you be happy if they hadnt seen it; didnt know anything about it; etc. etc. and simply generated a response based on some review data they'd read? Is that what you want from people? You want them just to report a summary of the textbooks, of the reviews of other people? You dont want them to think for a moment, about anything and have something to say? This is a radically bleak picture; and omits, of course, everything important. We arent reporting the reports of others. We are thinking about things. That isnt unmeasurable, it is trivial to measure. Show someone the film, ask them questions about it, and so on -- establish their taste. NLPs arent simulations of anything. It's a parlour trick. If you want a perfect simulation of intelligence, go and show me one -- I will ask it what it likes; and I doubt it'll have anything sincere to say. There is no sincerity possible here. These systems are just libraries run through shredders; they havent been anywhere; they arent anywhere. They have nothing to say. They arent talking about anything. You and I are not the libraries of the world cut up. We are actually responsive to the environments we are in. If someone falls over, we speak to help them. We dont, as if lobtomized, rehearse something. When we use words we use them to speak about the world we are in; this isnt unmeasuarable -- its the whole point.
- hackinthebochs 5y agoWhy do you think a model of intelligence needs to have tastes, values, likes/dislikes, etc for it to be something more than statistics or pattern matching? Why are you associating these consciousness qualities with AGI?
- mjburgess 5y ago