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oh I have a totally different reaction to that line, and I thought this was where you were going at first. Which is: Apple is really not a business-user focuse

by cactus2093 5y ago

oh I have a totally different reaction to that line, and I thought this was where you were going at first. Which is: Apple is really not a business-user focused company. Windows-based PCs have long dominated the business world. And as someone who does use Macs for both personal use and at work, setting up a work computer is always an awkward, sup-par experience. There are so many features (like iMessage, Facetime, and iCloud) that are exclusively designed for personal use, and no good way to e.g. configure which parts of my personal data should be available on my work computer. Or I can use a totally separate apple id on my work computer, but then I can't get access to things like my Apple Music account that I am subscribed to on my personal account.

dumpsterdiver 5y ago
Agreed. While the iCloud ecosystem provides a smooth experience for personal users, it's super awkward to integrate into a business environment. Activating iMessage for instance, will leave personal text messaging history on the device that can be easily accessed. Same for photo albums, etc. If the devices are managed (in an MDM) then the assumption should be that anything and everything happening on the device can be seen at any time. The conundrum is that Mac OS is such a personal user-centric operating system that it appears to be difficult for users not to take advantage of those features. It's almost like when you put a treat in front of someone - even if they didn't want it before, once it's right in front of them they suddenly want it. Edit: Clarification / expounding
bradknowles 5y ago
Apple has never grokked the Enterprise market. Never. At best, they understand the workgroup market reasonably well. Anything above the workgroup is an alien concept to them. Apple is nothing but a massive collection of workgroups, and workgroups of workgroups.
saagarjha 5y ago
It makes a bit more sense when you understand that Apple employees genuinely dogfood on their work devices with personal data.
- cactus2093 5y ago
  I've always wondered about that, that's interesting. Apple definitely makes it look like this is the expected use case in the WWDC demos and stuff but I can't imagine every employee is happy to give their employer access to their personal text messages.

dumpsterdiver 5y ago

Agreed. While the iCloud ecosystem provides a smooth experience for personal users, it's super awkward to integrate into a business environment. Activating iMessage for instance, will leave personal text messaging history on the device that can be easily accessed. Same for photo albums, etc. If the devices are managed (in an MDM) then the assumption should be that anything and everything happening on the device can be seen at any time. The conundrum is that Mac OS is such a personal user-centric operating system that it appears to be difficult for users not to take advantage of those features. It's almost like when you put a treat in front of someone - even if they didn't want it before, once it's right in front of them they suddenly want it. Edit: Clarification / expounding

bradknowles 5y ago

Apple has never grokked the Enterprise market. Never. At best, they understand the workgroup market reasonably well. Anything above the workgroup is an alien concept to them. Apple is nothing but a massive collection of workgroups, and workgroups of workgroups.

saagarjha 5y ago

It makes a bit more sense when you understand that Apple employees genuinely dogfood on their work devices with personal data.

cactus2093 5y ago
I've always wondered about that, that's interesting. Apple definitely makes it look like this is the expected use case in the WWDC demos and stuff but I can't imagine every employee is happy to give their employer access to their personal text messages.