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Well if thats the case then a lot of places are working employees to death and should all stop. Amazon clearly has the budget to look after its employees. Noble

Well if thats the case then a lot of places are working employees to death and should all stop. Amazon clearly has the budget to look after its employees. Noblesse oblige and whatnot.

weezin 5y ago
The amount of people that don't know what you are suppose to do during a tornado is mind boggling...
- bb88 5y ago
  There's a difference between not knowing what your are supposed to be doing during a tornado in your home, and what you're supposed to do in an Amazon warehouse. In Illinois, commercial warehouses aren't required to have tornado shelters. If you grow up in Illinois or anywhere around the midwest, there's a high likelihood you've been through a tornado drill in your childhood.
  - weezin 5y ago
    Well they did have a shelter area. My point was the people that followed the tragedy with horrible tornado advice in order to score political points.
    - bb88 5y ago
      But was it broadcasted to the workers when the tornado warning happened? Site safety plans typically include things about tornado warnings particularly in Illinois, where tornados are common. It's also common to have a site wide announcement system in case of fire or tornado warnings instructing people where to go and what to do. Site safety plans typically exist to prevent lawsuits in the first place.
Aunche 5y ago
You clearly have some preconceived grudge towards Amazon or any big employer. They didn't die because they were "working to death." They died because the building collapsed. They deserve scrutiny for that that, but so do the building codes.
- ars 5y ago
  This is a reply to both you and the person above you. There aren't building codes that can stop a tornado, not unless you want military style bunkers everywhere. Tornado's have approx double the windspeed of hurricanes. In tornado prone places life doesn't stop when there is danger nearby. Instead people go to the safest place they can, knowing it can only help for glancing blows, or weak tornado's. I quote: "Thus, to make a structure totally tornado-proof requires that the structure be designed to withstand both the impact of a one-ton boulder being hurled at it at 100-150 miles per hour as well as wind loads of 300 mph or more. This means you need a structure made out of either foot-thick reinforced concrete or two to three inch thick solid steel armor plate. Doors must be solid steel with reinforced frames and extra strong locking mechanisms (otherwise the storm will just suck the door open). No windows."
  - bb88 5y ago
    But not all tornadoes are F5. Two percent of tornadoes are F4/F5. The tornado that hit the Amazon warehouse was an F3 with peak speeds of 150 mph. It's hard to say though what the wind speed was when it hit amazon. And while most buildings won't completely survive an F3, many safety plans call for the use an existing basement or bathrooms. Some architectures will reinforce an interior hallway.
  - KennyBlanken 5y ago
    Nobody suggested making an amazon warehouse tornado-proof? You don't build a house to be tornado-proof. You have a tornado shelter. You build it at ground level with sloped sides, or below ground. Cargo ships have life boats, so do oil rigs. If you've got a warehouse with hundreds of people in an area with lots of tornadoes, you build tornado shelters sufficient to accommodate them. Cost of doing business in an area where the only reason you were doing business was likely cheap labor and land. Daddy Bezos has more than enough bucks to build a tornado shelter or two at his warehouses.
refurb 5y ago
Seems pretty clear you’d hate Amazon no matter what they do?
- arcticbull 5y ago
  Honestly I like a ton of what Amazon does. AWS is great. Their shopping platform, I'm broadly a big fan of. I'm not a fan of union busting, employee smooshing and pee bottles. The latter two I suspect would go away if they stopped doing the first, but I digress. I didn't think that'd be contentious but here we are.

Well if thats the case then a lot of places are working employees to death and should all stop. Amazon clearly has the budget to look after its employees. Noblesse oblige and whatnot.

weezin 5y ago

The amount of people that don't know what you are suppose to do during a tornado is mind boggling...

bb88 5y ago
There's a difference between not knowing what your are supposed to be doing during a tornado in your home, and what you're supposed to do in an Amazon warehouse. In Illinois, commercial warehouses aren't required to have tornado shelters. If you grow up in Illinois or anywhere around the midwest, there's a high likelihood you've been through a tornado drill in your childhood.
- weezin 5y ago
  Well they did have a shelter area. My point was the people that followed the tragedy with horrible tornado advice in order to score political points.
  - bb88 5y ago
    But was it broadcasted to the workers when the tornado warning happened? Site safety plans typically include things about tornado warnings particularly in Illinois, where tornados are common. It's also common to have a site wide announcement system in case of fire or tornado warnings instructing people where to go and what to do. Site safety plans typically exist to prevent lawsuits in the first place.

Aunche 5y ago

You clearly have some preconceived grudge towards Amazon or any big employer. They didn't die because they were "working to death." They died because the building collapsed. They deserve scrutiny for that that, but so do the building codes.

ars 5y ago
This is a reply to both you and the person above you. There aren't building codes that can stop a tornado, not unless you want military style bunkers everywhere. Tornado's have approx double the windspeed of hurricanes. In tornado prone places life doesn't stop when there is danger nearby. Instead people go to the safest place they can, knowing it can only help for glancing blows, or weak tornado's. I quote: "Thus, to make a structure totally tornado-proof requires that the structure be designed to withstand both the impact of a one-ton boulder being hurled at it at 100-150 miles per hour as well as wind loads of 300 mph or more. This means you need a structure made out of either foot-thick reinforced concrete or two to three inch thick solid steel armor plate. Doors must be solid steel with reinforced frames and extra strong locking mechanisms (otherwise the storm will just suck the door open). No windows."
- bb88 5y ago
  But not all tornadoes are F5. Two percent of tornadoes are F4/F5. The tornado that hit the Amazon warehouse was an F3 with peak speeds of 150 mph. It's hard to say though what the wind speed was when it hit amazon. And while most buildings won't completely survive an F3, many safety plans call for the use an existing basement or bathrooms. Some architectures will reinforce an interior hallway.
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  Nobody suggested making an amazon warehouse tornado-proof? You don't build a house to be tornado-proof. You have a tornado shelter. You build it at ground level with sloped sides, or below ground. Cargo ships have life boats, so do oil rigs. If you've got a warehouse with hundreds of people in an area with lots of tornadoes, you build tornado shelters sufficient to accommodate them. Cost of doing business in an area where the only reason you were doing business was likely cheap labor and land. Daddy Bezos has more than enough bucks to build a tornado shelter or two at his warehouses.

refurb 5y ago

Seems pretty clear you’d hate Amazon no matter what they do?

arcticbull 5y ago
Honestly I like a ton of what Amazon does. AWS is great. Their shopping platform, I'm broadly a big fan of. I'm not a fan of union busting, employee smooshing and pee bottles. The latter two I suspect would go away if they stopped doing the first, but I digress. I didn't think that'd be contentious but here we are.