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If I ask how to write a bash script to get the last 3 letters of a file name, my preferred answer would be the literal answer. If someone wants to pontificate b

If I ask how to write a bash script to get the last 3 letters of a file name, my preferred answer would be the literal answer. If someone wants to pontificate below that answer that maybe I wanted the extension, that's cool, but first answer the question or don't bother participating. People always invoke XY problem as if it's a way of helping someone, when it's mostly just condescension and or showing off when applied to forum answers. If someone is looking for "advice", they can ask for it. If someone is looking for syntax, they don't necessarily want advice, even if you really think they need it. That's my advice.

nullc 5y ago
Well there you go, OpenAI codex has solved your problem: technical help that won't bother warning you when you're about to shoot yourself in the foot, if that's really what you want. :) > when it's mostly just condescension and or showing off when applied to forum answers. You might be reading emotion and motivation into text that simple isn't there. I do wonder if codex improves and asks clarifying questions if you'll attribute condescension to its actions? > but first answer the question or don't bother participating Sounds like you might be selfishly confusing other human beings for a coin operated answer vending machine that exists for your personal gratification. Or maybe I'm reading too much into your "just answer or don't participate"? :D (I don't have any reason to believe it of you-- but I would assume that it's no less true than the windbaggy responders replying that way to show off their skills and mock your lack of them) In any case... that is the point: If you want a answer vending machine that doesn't care if what you asked for might not be what you want, an actual machine will do a better job of it. Personally, I'm grateful when someone backs me out of a niche I've reasoned myself into ... and I don't mind having to spend more time on my questions to qualify that I've already tried the obvious. I've probably solved more of my own problems just by stepping back to explain what I'm trying to do and what and then noticing the error on my own, than by any other means. But even if I did mind-- even if the people responding really were just showing off-- if that's the price of free help it still seems like a good deal. I'd much rather get help from someone with a chance of warning me that my whole approach might be confused, in my view that's 95% of the value of learning from another mind as opposed to mashing buttons until the tests pass.
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gdulli 5y ago
That's all well and good, but the interesting topic here is whether or not OpenAI is real intelligence, for a meaningful definition of "intelligent". We already know that AI can solve problems without displaying anything like human reasoning, so good news for you!
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jrib 5y ago
Why not both? Here's the answer to your question as asked. If you're trying to accomplish X, here is a better way. I'm happy to go into details if you can provide more context.
- sage92 5y ago
  > If someone wants to pontificate below that answer that maybe I wanted the extension, that's cool, but first answer the question or don't bother participating
davidivadavid 5y ago
Beggars can't be choosers, especially when asking support questions, and especially when they're not paying for it. For every person who asks a question expecting (and deserving) a literal answer, there are dozens of ill-posed questions that require a clarifying preamble to get to any answer at all. It's better not to waste anybody's time. Support people tend to be able to distinguish between the two pretty well, too. If you ask a precise syntax question, you'll have a precise answer. Ask a vague "do my homework" question, and expect people will ask for clarifications.
- version_five 5y ago
  > beggars can't be choosers Nobody is forcing anyone to answer though. If someone has some "do this, don't do that" wisdom they want to share, they could write a blog post or something. I agree the dynamic of "help" in a discussion forum is always a bit weird, but I think if you're going to take the time to interact with someone who has asked a question, it's most constructive to start by answering (Sam goes for people who just criticize the tone of the question, or say RTFM or whatever. If it's off topic or low quality, it's probably better to just downvote the post).
  - nullc 5y ago
    No one forces anyone to pay attention to an answer they don't like either. As far as "just answer"-- writing an answer takes work. You'd have to pay me a lot to mindlessly answer uninteresting queries that probably won't help you, like some meat based poor imitation of a search engine. It's not interesting, it's not fun, it doesn't foster building a community, it wouldn't help me expand my own knowledge. I'm of the view that when someone comes existing on a particular form of answer and not an interaction with a potential (future) peer, -- what they ought to be doing is hiring someone on Fiverr if its not an answer that they can extract from a search engine (or our benevolent AI overlords). Generally it's the person asking the question that wades into an environment with potential answers, they're the guest with the (minor) imposition of a question. I suppose my view is different with respect to rogue troubleshooters that swing in out of the blue with preachy answers to questions that were never asked. :P

nullc 5y ago

Well there you go, OpenAI codex has solved your problem: technical help that won't bother warning you when you're about to shoot yourself in the foot, if that's really what you want. :) > when it's mostly just condescension and or showing off when applied to forum answers. You might be reading emotion and motivation into text that simple isn't there. I do wonder if codex improves and asks clarifying questions if you'll attribute condescension to its actions? > but first answer the question or don't bother participating Sounds like you might be selfishly confusing other human beings for a coin operated answer vending machine that exists for your personal gratification. Or maybe I'm reading too much into your "just answer or don't participate"? :D (I don't have any reason to believe it of you-- but I would assume that it's no less true than the windbaggy responders replying that way to show off their skills and mock your lack of them) In any case... that is the point: If you want a answer vending machine that doesn't care if what you asked for might not be what you want, an actual machine will do a better job of it. Personally, I'm grateful when someone backs me out of a niche I've reasoned myself into ... and I don't mind having to spend more time on my questions to qualify that I've already tried the obvious. I've probably solved more of my own problems just by stepping back to explain what I'm trying to do and what and then noticing the error on my own, than by any other means. But even if I did mind-- even if the people responding really were just showing off-- if that's the price of free help it still seems like a good deal. I'd much rather get help from someone with a chance of warning me that my whole approach might be confused, in my view that's 95% of the value of learning from another mind as opposed to mashing buttons until the tests pass.

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gdulli 5y ago

That's all well and good, but the interesting topic here is whether or not OpenAI is real intelligence, for a meaningful definition of "intelligent". We already know that AI can solve problems without displaying anything like human reasoning, so good news for you!

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jrib 5y ago

Why not both? Here's the answer to your question as asked. If you're trying to accomplish X, here is a better way. I'm happy to go into details if you can provide more context.

sage92 5y ago
> If someone wants to pontificate below that answer that maybe I wanted the extension, that's cool, but first answer the question or don't bother participating

davidivadavid 5y ago

Beggars can't be choosers, especially when asking support questions, and especially when they're not paying for it. For every person who asks a question expecting (and deserving) a literal answer, there are dozens of ill-posed questions that require a clarifying preamble to get to any answer at all. It's better not to waste anybody's time. Support people tend to be able to distinguish between the two pretty well, too. If you ask a precise syntax question, you'll have a precise answer. Ask a vague "do my homework" question, and expect people will ask for clarifications.

version_five 5y ago
> beggars can't be choosers Nobody is forcing anyone to answer though. If someone has some "do this, don't do that" wisdom they want to share, they could write a blog post or something. I agree the dynamic of "help" in a discussion forum is always a bit weird, but I think if you're going to take the time to interact with someone who has asked a question, it's most constructive to start by answering (Sam goes for people who just criticize the tone of the question, or say RTFM or whatever. If it's off topic or low quality, it's probably better to just downvote the post).
- nullc 5y ago
  No one forces anyone to pay attention to an answer they don't like either. As far as "just answer"-- writing an answer takes work. You'd have to pay me a lot to mindlessly answer uninteresting queries that probably won't help you, like some meat based poor imitation of a search engine. It's not interesting, it's not fun, it doesn't foster building a community, it wouldn't help me expand my own knowledge. I'm of the view that when someone comes existing on a particular form of answer and not an interaction with a potential (future) peer, -- what they ought to be doing is hiring someone on Fiverr if its not an answer that they can extract from a search engine (or our benevolent AI overlords). Generally it's the person asking the question that wades into an environment with potential answers, they're the guest with the (minor) imposition of a question. I suppose my view is different with respect to rogue troubleshooters that swing in out of the blue with preachy answers to questions that were never asked. :P