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Suicide is really easy if you actually want to die. I assume "attempted suicide" is most often closer to a cry for help than a genuine attempt to end one's life

Suicide is really easy if you actually want to die. I assume "attempted suicide" is most often closer to a cry for help than a genuine attempt to end one's life.

Overtonwindow 5y ago
Helium tank and a plastic bag is the easiest according to Final Exit.
- garbagetime 5y ago
  I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's the best solution to the problem of finding an easy way to commit suicide relatively painlessly. If you don't mind experiencing extreme discomfort, there are easier ways to commit suicide. I.e. ways that require less effort.
  - Handytinge 4y ago
    I can't imagine the amount of effort is relevant if it's your final act. What would you be saving your energy for?
saila 5y ago
I'm not sure about with children, but with adults men are more likely to use a gun, at least in the U.S. I think partly that's due to access, but it may also point to some other gender difference.
- scarmig 5y ago
  Even in places with strictly limited access to guns (e.g. the U.K., Japan), you see the same pattern of men committing suicide at a higher rate than women. The hypothesis I find most compelling is that the intentions behind suicides are different between the sexes, though it's also likely that women are generally more hesitant to use methods that disfigure the body (and are more effective) than are men, even when intention is controlled for.
  - saila 5y ago
    I think it's something along the lines of the latter--men are more likely to use violent means that are more effective where women are more likely to use means such as pills, which are less effective (but can still lead to permanent damage). Additionally, violent means lead to instant death more often so there's less opportunity to back out or for someone else to intervene. So there are certainly gender differences, but it's not clear that it's a difference of intent.
peppustimbus 5y ago
pmoriarty 5y ago
"Suicide is really easy if you actually want to die." It's also really easy to screw it up, and many people do, some even after many attempts. Not everybody is super diligent in researching the most effective methods, and some people may be genuine in their desire to die but are impulsive about it so may not choose the most effective method in their desperation to kill themselves now. I'm not sure if we as outsiders are in any position to judge the sincerity of another's wish to die.
- garbagetime 5y ago
  > I'm not sure if we as outsiders are in any position to judge the sincerity of another's wish to die. In individual cases, you may be right. But I think it's best to try to find the truth when talking about something so impactful as suicide as a general phenomenon. And I am of course not denying that genuine attempts at suicide can fail. But that seems unlikely to be the key to understanding the massive gender disparities at hand here.
- 6yyyyyy 5y ago
  One of the bizarre things is that some people, when they commit suicide, are concerned about leaving a messy corpse. They don't want to use a gun, or a knife, because it would leave such a mess. So instead, they chug a bottle of pills, immediately call 911 when they realize they don't want to die, and get their stomach pumped. Unsatisfied with good suicide attempts going to waste, 4chan has found a method that's cheap, widely available, effective even with medical attention, and leaves the body completely unmarked.

Suicide is really easy if you actually want to die. I assume "attempted suicide" is most often closer to a cry for help than a genuine attempt to end one's life.

Overtonwindow 5y ago

Helium tank and a plastic bag is the easiest according to Final Exit.

garbagetime 5y ago
I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's the best solution to the problem of finding an easy way to commit suicide relatively painlessly. If you don't mind experiencing extreme discomfort, there are easier ways to commit suicide. I.e. ways that require less effort.
- Handytinge 4y ago
  I can't imagine the amount of effort is relevant if it's your final act. What would you be saving your energy for?

saila 5y ago

I'm not sure about with children, but with adults men are more likely to use a gun, at least in the U.S. I think partly that's due to access, but it may also point to some other gender difference.

scarmig 5y ago
Even in places with strictly limited access to guns (e.g. the U.K., Japan), you see the same pattern of men committing suicide at a higher rate than women. The hypothesis I find most compelling is that the intentions behind suicides are different between the sexes, though it's also likely that women are generally more hesitant to use methods that disfigure the body (and are more effective) than are men, even when intention is controlled for.
- saila 5y ago
  I think it's something along the lines of the latter--men are more likely to use violent means that are more effective where women are more likely to use means such as pills, which are less effective (but can still lead to permanent damage). Additionally, violent means lead to instant death more often so there's less opportunity to back out or for someone else to intervene. So there are certainly gender differences, but it's not clear that it's a difference of intent.

peppustimbus 5y ago

pmoriarty 5y ago

"Suicide is really easy if you actually want to die." It's also really easy to screw it up, and many people do, some even after many attempts. Not everybody is super diligent in researching the most effective methods, and some people may be genuine in their desire to die but are impulsive about it so may not choose the most effective method in their desperation to kill themselves now. I'm not sure if we as outsiders are in any position to judge the sincerity of another's wish to die.

garbagetime 5y ago
> I'm not sure if we as outsiders are in any position to judge the sincerity of another's wish to die. In individual cases, you may be right. But I think it's best to try to find the truth when talking about something so impactful as suicide as a general phenomenon. And I am of course not denying that genuine attempts at suicide can fail. But that seems unlikely to be the key to understanding the massive gender disparities at hand here.
6yyyyyy 5y ago
One of the bizarre things is that some people, when they commit suicide, are concerned about leaving a messy corpse. They don't want to use a gun, or a knife, because it would leave such a mess. So instead, they chug a bottle of pills, immediately call 911 when they realize they don't want to die, and get their stomach pumped. Unsatisfied with good suicide attempts going to waste, 4chan has found a method that's cheap, widely available, effective even with medical attention, and leaves the body completely unmarked.