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And who is David to say this? MS is one of the biggest companies in the world, makes billions in revenue, used by all major coorporations, and 37signals are jus

And who is David to say this? MS is one of the biggest companies in the world, makes billions in revenue, used by all major coorporations, and 37signals are just some tiny tiny fraction of that, and stopped innovating years ago and just live off marketing and PR. So why should I pay attention to this tiny tiny company instead of the big successful one?

monkeyx 18y ago
I bet you said that when Microsoft came along and took on IBM.
- maxklein 18y ago
  37signals is really not an innovative company. They are a marketing company. They have one product that is not particular ground breaking, and they have several derivatives of that product. They have not invested their income in expanding or in any way becoming more significant than their blog. Look at google. They started roughly like 37signals (well, not as much self-horn-tooting), but they kept expanding and innovating, and now they are huge. 37signals? They are about the same as when they started! If they would spend less time talking and more time coming up with new innovative products, then I would start paying attention to them. It feels to me almost as if it took them 3-4 months to add comments to their todo lists. Microsoft was fast, agile and they innovated their way to the top. They came up with new products, they copied people and made things better, they released APIs, the offered SDKs. 37signals just writes on their blog. If the loopt people told me stuff, I'd much rather listen to them than 37signals. 37signals is a slow slow company, they are not a product company, they are all about conferences, talks, books and blogging right now. And as an engineer, I'm sorry, but I don't respect such people, no matter how much money they make. I want to see products. I want them to hit me with something that makes me say 'wow'. But what do they bring out? Campfire? What the hell is that? It's already there in outlook. There is nothing innovative about painting outlook pretty. Even twitter is way more innovative than anything 37signals has ever put out.
Herring 18y ago
IBM is one of the biggest companies in the world, makes more than double MS' revenue and is even more irrelevant. Clearly money doesn't necessarily buy power. Microsoft — Revenue: US $44.3 Billion (2006) IBM — Revenue: $91.4 billion USD +4% FY '05 to '06)

monkeyx 18y ago

I bet you said that when Microsoft came along and took on IBM.

maxklein 18y ago
37signals is really not an innovative company. They are a marketing company. They have one product that is not particular ground breaking, and they have several derivatives of that product. They have not invested their income in expanding or in any way becoming more significant than their blog. Look at google. They started roughly like 37signals (well, not as much self-horn-tooting), but they kept expanding and innovating, and now they are huge. 37signals? They are about the same as when they started! If they would spend less time talking and more time coming up with new innovative products, then I would start paying attention to them. It feels to me almost as if it took them 3-4 months to add comments to their todo lists. Microsoft was fast, agile and they innovated their way to the top. They came up with new products, they copied people and made things better, they released APIs, the offered SDKs. 37signals just writes on their blog. If the loopt people told me stuff, I'd much rather listen to them than 37signals. 37signals is a slow slow company, they are not a product company, they are all about conferences, talks, books and blogging right now. And as an engineer, I'm sorry, but I don't respect such people, no matter how much money they make. I want to see products. I want them to hit me with something that makes me say 'wow'. But what do they bring out? Campfire? What the hell is that? It's already there in outlook. There is nothing innovative about painting outlook pretty. Even twitter is way more innovative than anything 37signals has ever put out.

Herring 18y ago

IBM is one of the biggest companies in the world, makes more than double MS' revenue and is even more irrelevant. Clearly money doesn't necessarily buy power. Microsoft — Revenue: US $44.3 Billion (2006) IBM — Revenue: $91.4 billion USD +4% FY '05 to '06)