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> to your kid being a minor in school which means they don't have full legal rights, and the interpretation of 4A is likely up in the air here anyway IANAL, ei

> to your kid being a minor in school which means they don't have full legal rights, and the interpretation of 4A is likely up in the air here anyway IANAL, either. Just because the student is a minor, I don't see how that gives the school the right to pwn a private laptop (were the laptop a school laptop, my opinion would be different here); at best, this would seem to be the parent's machine, or right to decide, at that point. The OP's post isn't very clear on how the school managed to get into a private laptop in the first place; he mentions they "logged on", but onto what? And how does signing into something permit installs? (There's a comment below that hypothesizes this might be an MDM profile sort of situation, and that's … trickier. But doesn't even an MDM login have an uninstall of some sort? (Although, IDK, perhaps Chromebooks just can't do that, but that would seem to be an issue then with their software. But I've never tried, as I don't usually go for MDM stuff myself, as companies that do it typically want too much permission onto what is my personal device.))

yeetsfromhellL2 5y ago
pwning the laptop was a req for doing school work, like how you essentially give prior consent to a field sobriety test when you get a drivers license. I'm not saying it's right, but that likely the school district's argument in court, and I'm sure it's buried deep in a EULA or privacy policy somewhere.
- 0des 5y ago
  > you essentially give prior consent to a field sobriety test when you get a drivers license If USA, this is false.
  - op00to 5y ago
    You are misinformed. In the USA, every state has a law stating licensed drivers give their implied consent to roadside DUI testing. Failure to comply will result in extra charges and almost certain conviction.
dhzhzjsbevs 5y ago
Probably a Google account sign on. If I sign into my work Google account on my androids chrome it basically forces you to install spyware so our IT team can suck up my browser history. It sounds like chrome os takes this approach and adds steroids.
- phatfish 5y ago
  This is why people should be issued a work phone (or children a school laptop in the case of the OP) if the IT department is going to request control of it. A while ago my company eventually decided to enable security settings for Microsoft Outlook, Teams etc on all mobile devices (the wipe phone on demand option). All that happened was everyone without a company phone uninstalled Teams and used WhatsApp instead.
  - dhzhzjsbevs 5y ago
    I wouldn't accept a work phone unless I was given full control over it and can use it for personal use as well. I'm not carrying two around. If you want me to leave one at my desk that's fine but you won't reach me on it unless I'm there. Same goes for work laptops and working from home. The whole idea that you need to separate work from personal is based on the idea that if you use work laptop for personal work then they own it, that's an entirely made up constraint, one I won't accept. In before bad analogies, there are plenty of industries that provide tradies with tool stipends, those are still owned by the tradesman but paid for by the employer do to their consumable nature. It allows tradies to buy more expensive tools if they prefer and encourages them to look after them better.

yeetsfromhellL2 5y ago

pwning the laptop was a req for doing school work, like how you essentially give prior consent to a field sobriety test when you get a drivers license. I'm not saying it's right, but that likely the school district's argument in court, and I'm sure it's buried deep in a EULA or privacy policy somewhere.

0des 5y ago
> you essentially give prior consent to a field sobriety test when you get a drivers license If USA, this is false.
- op00to 5y ago
  You are misinformed. In the USA, every state has a law stating licensed drivers give their implied consent to roadside DUI testing. Failure to comply will result in extra charges and almost certain conviction.

dhzhzjsbevs 5y ago

Probably a Google account sign on. If I sign into my work Google account on my androids chrome it basically forces you to install spyware so our IT team can suck up my browser history. It sounds like chrome os takes this approach and adds steroids.

phatfish 5y ago
This is why people should be issued a work phone (or children a school laptop in the case of the OP) if the IT department is going to request control of it. A while ago my company eventually decided to enable security settings for Microsoft Outlook, Teams etc on all mobile devices (the wipe phone on demand option). All that happened was everyone without a company phone uninstalled Teams and used WhatsApp instead.
- dhzhzjsbevs 5y ago
  I wouldn't accept a work phone unless I was given full control over it and can use it for personal use as well. I'm not carrying two around. If you want me to leave one at my desk that's fine but you won't reach me on it unless I'm there. Same goes for work laptops and working from home. The whole idea that you need to separate work from personal is based on the idea that if you use work laptop for personal work then they own it, that's an entirely made up constraint, one I won't accept. In before bad analogies, there are plenty of industries that provide tradies with tool stipends, those are still owned by the tradesman but paid for by the employer do to their consumable nature. It allows tradies to buy more expensive tools if they prefer and encourages them to look after them better.