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> Over there, when a friend needs help they'll help them. Over here, when a friend needs help we'll take them out to brunch and "be there for them if you need u

> Over there, when a friend needs help they'll help them. Over here, when a friend needs help we'll take them out to brunch and "be there for them if you need us". Can you offer some examples of help that is being offered in favour of taking them out to brunch and "being there"? > I lean somewhat conservative and can assure you that this take is plain wrong. Most of the reaction to political correctness is a reaction to the isolation/injustice that some people's feelings matter, and others (straight white males) don't - that some people's success should be celebrated, and others (again, straight white males) booed. I think we're talking about different things. My hypothetical example is a situation where person A corrects person B's language and suggests that their phrasing is racist, or sexist, or etc. And Person B lashes back by saying Person A doesn't REALLY care about the race/gender involved, but is only virtue signalling or focusing on political correctness. It's a derailing tactic, because the scenario isn't where Person B is doing something else meaningful but Kind (while Not Being Nice). And the implication is that Person A ONLY cares about being Nice, and wouldn't be Kind in a different circumstance. What you're describing is an independent concern where we as a culture today over-highlight the successes/feelings of marginalized groups, at the expense of the historical dominant majority. I think those scenarios do exist, but I also think we are in a transitionary period where we over-index on ensuring the historically marginalized are over-represented, and already the next generation will find a better balance (Gen Z doesn't care as much about race, gender, sexuality in the same way that previous generations either overtly tried to represss those that are different, or OVER-praise those that are different. Gen Z, anecdotally, seems pretty chill and even-keeled about it al)

anamax 5y ago
> My hypothetical example is a situation where person A corrects person B's language and suggests that their phrasing is racist, or sexist, or etc. Or the very real case where person B's language and intent is not any of those things and person A "gets in their face." ("Suggest" my ass. This "correction" always comes with a heavy dose of entitlement and hostility.) > Gen Z doesn't care as much about race, gender, sexuality See what "I don't care what color you are" will get you.... FWIW, it doesn't matter whether the Native American on the Land of Lakes butter label was exploitive. The safe thing is to get rid of the Indian and keep the lakes and that's playing out across commercial America. (The Florida Seminoles will survive because that tribe goes after folks who are outraged on its behalf.)
AussieWog93 5y ago
>Can you offer some examples of help that is being offered in favour of taking them out to brunch and "being there"? - Driving 45 minutes out of your way to pick up a friend whose car has broken down. - Babysitting a kid that you know is a little shit, just to give your friend an afternoon off. - Lending someone a power tool (or, more specifically, establishing a reputation for being a good mate that lends others power tools). - Picking a friend's kids up from school or taking them to weekend sports on a regular basis. - Inviting someone over for a casual, comfortable dinner ("You should come over for spaghetti on Thursday", not a dinner party) because you know they're working late. For a middle-class Melbournian in 2022, approaching any of these types of things is difficult. Unless you know someone incredibly well, there's a bit of an unwritten rule that offers like these are more of a "thoughts and prayers"-esque performance than an indicator of actual, genuine willingness to assist. It makes it incredibly awkward to both offer help and ask for it, and I personally think it's a damn shame. >I think we're talking about different things. I think we are too, and my strong reaction may have been based more in your username than the contents of your comment. ;)

anamax 5y ago

> My hypothetical example is a situation where person A corrects person B's language and suggests that their phrasing is racist, or sexist, or etc. Or the very real case where person B's language and intent is not any of those things and person A "gets in their face." ("Suggest" my ass. This "correction" always comes with a heavy dose of entitlement and hostility.) > Gen Z doesn't care as much about race, gender, sexuality See what "I don't care what color you are" will get you.... FWIW, it doesn't matter whether the Native American on the Land of Lakes butter label was exploitive. The safe thing is to get rid of the Indian and keep the lakes and that's playing out across commercial America. (The Florida Seminoles will survive because that tribe goes after folks who are outraged on its behalf.)

AussieWog93 5y ago

>Can you offer some examples of help that is being offered in favour of taking them out to brunch and "being there"? - Driving 45 minutes out of your way to pick up a friend whose car has broken down. - Babysitting a kid that you know is a little shit, just to give your friend an afternoon off. - Lending someone a power tool (or, more specifically, establishing a reputation for being a good mate that lends others power tools). - Picking a friend's kids up from school or taking them to weekend sports on a regular basis. - Inviting someone over for a casual, comfortable dinner ("You should come over for spaghetti on Thursday", not a dinner party) because you know they're working late. For a middle-class Melbournian in 2022, approaching any of these types of things is difficult. Unless you know someone incredibly well, there's a bit of an unwritten rule that offers like these are more of a "thoughts and prayers"-esque performance than an indicator of actual, genuine willingness to assist. It makes it incredibly awkward to both offer help and ask for it, and I personally think it's a damn shame. >I think we're talking about different things. I think we are too, and my strong reaction may have been based more in your username than the contents of your comment. ;)