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Wokism at its essence is Nice > Kind. And nice is near-meaningless.

wolverine876 5y ago
Quite the opposite: It's Good >> Nice/Kind. It's saying things that are very unpopular, pointing out realities that people are uncomfortable with, because it's good and necessary, regardless of the very un-nice, unkind responses you get. The idea is that we cannot fail to talk about and address these things anymore, just because some people are uncomfortable and it's challenging social norms to say them.
- asiachick 5y ago
  No, because it's doesn't work. So the fact that it's ineffective as well as quite often hypocritical means it's optics > results. If you want results, doing the "woke" thing won't get you any.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > it's doesn't work I think the evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary. Much has changed in the world. For example, looking at some recent issues: Major cities are handling policing much differently; discrimination against women is now toxic to careers; the US Congress has now made lynching a crime and is removing Confederate names from the military. District attorneys in cities have been transformed. Major news media now reports differetly on race than just a few years ago. It's common rhetoric, going way back, to dismiss progressives as powerless, but what people see today as the norm or conservative is what progressives achieved in prior generations. If you're a 'chick' (based on your username), you don't have to live with a male family member and get their permission for everything, can get a full education, be financially independent, can have intimate relations and dress (mostly) how you please without being ostracized, can have careers beyond nursing and teaching, etc. When people woke up and made those changes, years ago, they got the same response as today. But why is it so urgent to shut them down? What is so threatening? What a waste of time - time would be much better spent achieving something ourselves. So much needs to be done.
    - Izkata 5y ago
      > the US Congress has now made lynching a crime This is actually a great example of does-nothing virtue signalling: It was already a crime.
      - yCombLinks 5y ago
        LOL, no way, there were roving bands of lynchers doing as they pleased until the woke patrol showed up.
        wolverine876 4y ago
        In fact, there is a lot of racial violence, and people have been generally unaware of and denied it when they encountered it. It was people who chose to be woke that brought it to non-Black society's attention, and they were of course ridiculed and denied (par for the course) until George Floyd.
      - wolverine876 4y ago
        What makes you say that? It was not a federal crime. Also, in leadership and government, symbolism is an essential form of communication.
        asiachick 4y ago
        It's been a federal crime for a long time. Here's a movie from 1936 about how lynchings are illegal https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0027652/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0027652/
- vehementi 5y ago
  > regardless of the very un-nice, unkind responses you get You may have skipped the article. The tone of responses is not what anyone is talking about. Acting despite the tone of responses is not the topic

Quite the opposite: It's Good >> Nice/Kind. It's saying things that are very unpopular, pointing out realities that people are uncomfortable with, because it's good and necessary, regardless of the very un-nice, unkind responses you get. The idea is that we cannot fail to talk about and address these things anymore, just because some people are uncomfortable and it's challenging social norms to say them.

asiachick 5y ago
No, because it's doesn't work. So the fact that it's ineffective as well as quite often hypocritical means it's optics > results. If you want results, doing the "woke" thing won't get you any.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > it's doesn't work I think the evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary. Much has changed in the world. For example, looking at some recent issues: Major cities are handling policing much differently; discrimination against women is now toxic to careers; the US Congress has now made lynching a crime and is removing Confederate names from the military. District attorneys in cities have been transformed. Major news media now reports differetly on race than just a few years ago. It's common rhetoric, going way back, to dismiss progressives as powerless, but what people see today as the norm or conservative is what progressives achieved in prior generations. If you're a 'chick' (based on your username), you don't have to live with a male family member and get their permission for everything, can get a full education, be financially independent, can have intimate relations and dress (mostly) how you please without being ostracized, can have careers beyond nursing and teaching, etc. When people woke up and made those changes, years ago, they got the same response as today. But why is it so urgent to shut them down? What is so threatening? What a waste of time - time would be much better spent achieving something ourselves. So much needs to be done.
  - Izkata 5y ago
    > the US Congress has now made lynching a crime This is actually a great example of does-nothing virtue signalling: It was already a crime.
    - yCombLinks 5y ago
      LOL, no way, there were roving bands of lynchers doing as they pleased until the woke patrol showed up.
      - wolverine876 4y ago
        In fact, there is a lot of racial violence, and people have been generally unaware of and denied it when they encountered it. It was people who chose to be woke that brought it to non-Black society's attention, and they were of course ridiculed and denied (par for the course) until George Floyd.
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      What makes you say that? It was not a federal crime. Also, in leadership and government, symbolism is an essential form of communication.
      - asiachick 4y ago
        It's been a federal crime for a long time. Here's a movie from 1936 about how lynchings are illegal https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0027652/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0027652/
vehementi 5y ago
> regardless of the very un-nice, unkind responses you get You may have skipped the article. The tone of responses is not what anyone is talking about. Acting despite the tone of responses is not the topic