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> Nuclear power strike prices usually do include much of the long term costs In theory yes, but given that they aren't able to predict correctly the cost of bu

by renox 5y ago

> Nuclear power strike prices usually do include much of the long term costs In theory yes, but given that they aren't able to predict correctly the cost of building a nuclear station, I don't see why we should trust them on predicting the real cost of dismantling them..

JohnHaugeland 5y ago
It's very easy to accurately predict the building costs of a nuclear reactor. The overruns you're talking about come from politicians showing up halfway through the project and changing the rules to show their voters that they are involved
- renox 5y ago
  In France the new nuclear reactors have been plagued by hardware issue, delays.. So no, it isn't 'easy' to predict the building costs, it's easy only when you're replicating an already existing reactor and only if it was built recently!
  - JohnHaugeland 5y ago
    > In France the new nuclear reactors have been plagued by hardware issue, delays That's odd, can you show me some evidence of that?
    - natmaka 5y ago
      The new type of nuclear reactor is the "EPR". The first project, in Finland (Olkiluoto-3) was a disaster: massive overcosts, 12 years late, customer lost, penalties paid, builder (Areva) saved thanks to public money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Construction_delays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant#... The second project, in France (Flamanville-3) is an ongoing disaster: massive overcosts (from 3,3 to 19,4 billions €, and counting), aleady 10 years late and counting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plan... The third project, in China (Taishan-1 & -2) was officially 5 years late and 60% overcosts (and very probably not break even for the builder). After 1 year one of the 2 reactors was stopped mid-2021 after an incident. The fourth project, in the U.-K. (Hinkley-Point C), started in 2018 and already announced overcosts and late delivery. Old reactors: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/frances-chinon-3-reactor-offline-tests-after-pipe-corrosion-detected-2022-02-21/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/frances-chinon-3-rea... Decommission costs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18686703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18686703

by renox 5y ago

JohnHaugeland 5y ago

It's very easy to accurately predict the building costs of a nuclear reactor. The overruns you're talking about come from politicians showing up halfway through the project and changing the rules to show their voters that they are involved

renox 5y ago
In France the new nuclear reactors have been plagued by hardware issue, delays.. So no, it isn't 'easy' to predict the building costs, it's easy only when you're replicating an already existing reactor and only if it was built recently!
- JohnHaugeland 5y ago
  > In France the new nuclear reactors have been plagued by hardware issue, delays That's odd, can you show me some evidence of that?
  - natmaka 5y ago
    The new type of nuclear reactor is the "EPR". The first project, in Finland (Olkiluoto-3) was a disaster: massive overcosts, 12 years late, customer lost, penalties paid, builder (Areva) saved thanks to public money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Construction_delays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant#... The second project, in France (Flamanville-3) is an ongoing disaster: massive overcosts (from 3,3 to 19,4 billions €, and counting), aleady 10 years late and counting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plan... The third project, in China (Taishan-1 & -2) was officially 5 years late and 60% overcosts (and very probably not break even for the builder). After 1 year one of the 2 reactors was stopped mid-2021 after an incident. The fourth project, in the U.-K. (Hinkley-Point C), started in 2018 and already announced overcosts and late delivery. Old reactors: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/frances-chinon-3-reactor-offline-tests-after-pipe-corrosion-detected-2022-02-21/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/frances-chinon-3-rea... Decommission costs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18686703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18686703