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Having gone to college and knowing this guy personally from then, you would have a much different opinion... Maybe he has grown up, but back then... yeeesh

hwers 5y ago
I have gone to college with similar overachievers/braggers, and now that you mention it if they were in the spotlight as much as him I'd roll my eyes pretty hard. Still though, having not gone to college with this particular one somehow I can stand it.
sydthrowaway 5y ago
I'm guessing only child syndrome + rich as hell parents.
_dh54 5y ago
I cannot take this criticism seriously unless you are more specific than “yeesh.” If you aren’t willing to be specific then better to not say anything at all.
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bko 5y ago
I mean, he's obviously not a normal guy. I don't know what you expect. From a recent profile: > Apart from a criminal streak, Hotz shares with Raskolnikov, Dostoyevsky’s antihero, a predilection for instrumental reason and an urge to test his own mettle, to know himself by knowing his limits. As a young adult Hotz allowed himself to become addicted to prescription opiates almost as an experience in self-mastery. “I did it, I was addicted, and I quit,” he told me. “I think I had to have that experience. I don’t think I ever could have been the type who never tried it. Because in some ways I feel that if I’m not strong enough to defeat that and overcome it…” He paused for several beats before assuring me he’d never want anyone to follow his example. “In order to quit,” he continued, “it required me to rethink what I wanted out of life. After that, one of the biggest things that changed is I stopped caring about money.” https://return.life/2022/03/07/george-hotz-comma-ride-or-die/ https://return.life/2022/03/07/george-hotz-comma-ride-or-die...
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > not a normal guy I assure you some people try themselves - and I do not see what is not "normal" about it. To experience, voluntary, then grow, is the norm.
  - bko 5y ago
    I don't know. I ran the idea of purposely getting addicted to opioids to see if i can quit by my wife and she assured me i was crazy.
    - mdp2021 5y ago
      This direction goes off-topic, but: look, if you married her, -- either you go along well, hence that she agrees with your opinion is a weak test; -- or you married her to test yourself, which would prove my point. TND; QED. /J
      - Zacharias030 5y ago
        What does TND mean?
        mdp2021 5y ago
        ("Tertium Non Datur" - that analyzed options are exhaustive)
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        paisawalla 5y ago
        Meaning this only neutrally, and completely respectfully: have you considered that you're a bit abnormal as well?
        shawn-butler 5y ago
canjobear 5y ago
Who cares if he’s a nice guy?
- bri3d 5y ago
  If he's being held up as some shining beacon of the "hacker-ish culture" as the grandparent poster is doing, it would be nice if he weren't also a jerk.
  - bitexploder 5y ago
    Everyone should kill their heroes. They almost never live up to the pedestals people place them on. They are all just people and have flaws. They don’t have to be some perfect person to do cool things we can respect.
    - bri3d 5y ago
      I respect geohotz' achievements (generally). I would never hold him up as an example of hacker culture, or his persona as one to emulate. There is a difference between these things.
      - recuter 5y ago
        Is hacker culture not filled with "weird jerks"? Linus doesn't qualify? Who does?
        mcv 5y ago
        Linus used to be a massive jerk until he fixed his attitude. Hackers can grow. I've got massive respect for everybody who addresses their own problems and fixes them. Way too many people only look for the problem in other people, but it's never that simple.
      - nextlevelwizard 5y ago
        Out of curiosity who would you show as an example of hacker culture?
throwawaylien 5y ago
Jealousy tends to make you react that way
- brimble 5y ago
  Envy. Some changes in language are fine, but these are very different things and it's nice to have words for both of them.
lyrareturns 5y ago
Maybe you were the one who sucked.

hwers 5y ago

I have gone to college with similar overachievers/braggers, and now that you mention it if they were in the spotlight as much as him I'd roll my eyes pretty hard. Still though, having not gone to college with this particular one somehow I can stand it.

sydthrowaway 5y ago

I'm guessing only child syndrome + rich as hell parents.

_dh54 5y ago

I cannot take this criticism seriously unless you are more specific than “yeesh.” If you aren’t willing to be specific then better to not say anything at all.

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bko 5y ago

I mean, he's obviously not a normal guy. I don't know what you expect. From a recent profile: > Apart from a criminal streak, Hotz shares with Raskolnikov, Dostoyevsky’s antihero, a predilection for instrumental reason and an urge to test his own mettle, to know himself by knowing his limits. As a young adult Hotz allowed himself to become addicted to prescription opiates almost as an experience in self-mastery. “I did it, I was addicted, and I quit,” he told me. “I think I had to have that experience. I don’t think I ever could have been the type who never tried it. Because in some ways I feel that if I’m not strong enough to defeat that and overcome it…” He paused for several beats before assuring me he’d never want anyone to follow his example. “In order to quit,” he continued, “it required me to rethink what I wanted out of life. After that, one of the biggest things that changed is I stopped caring about money.” https://return.life/2022/03/07/george-hotz-comma-ride-or-die/ https://return.life/2022/03/07/george-hotz-comma-ride-or-die...

mdp2021 5y ago
> not a normal guy I assure you some people try themselves - and I do not see what is not "normal" about it. To experience, voluntary, then grow, is the norm.
- bko 5y ago
  I don't know. I ran the idea of purposely getting addicted to opioids to see if i can quit by my wife and she assured me i was crazy.
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    This direction goes off-topic, but: look, if you married her, -- either you go along well, hence that she agrees with your opinion is a weak test; -- or you married her to test yourself, which would prove my point. TND; QED. /J
    - Zacharias030 5y ago
      What does TND mean?
      - mdp2021 5y ago
        ("Tertium Non Datur" - that analyzed options are exhaustive)
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        paisawalla 5y ago
        Meaning this only neutrally, and completely respectfully: have you considered that you're a bit abnormal as well?
        shawn-butler 5y ago

canjobear 5y ago

Who cares if he’s a nice guy?

bri3d 5y ago
If he's being held up as some shining beacon of the "hacker-ish culture" as the grandparent poster is doing, it would be nice if he weren't also a jerk.
- bitexploder 5y ago
  Everyone should kill their heroes. They almost never live up to the pedestals people place them on. They are all just people and have flaws. They don’t have to be some perfect person to do cool things we can respect.
  - bri3d 5y ago
    I respect geohotz' achievements (generally). I would never hold him up as an example of hacker culture, or his persona as one to emulate. There is a difference between these things.
    - recuter 5y ago
      Is hacker culture not filled with "weird jerks"? Linus doesn't qualify? Who does?
      - mcv 5y ago
        Linus used to be a massive jerk until he fixed his attitude. Hackers can grow. I've got massive respect for everybody who addresses their own problems and fixes them. Way too many people only look for the problem in other people, but it's never that simple.
    - nextlevelwizard 5y ago
      Out of curiosity who would you show as an example of hacker culture?

throwawaylien 5y ago

Jealousy tends to make you react that way

brimble 5y ago
Envy. Some changes in language are fine, but these are very different things and it's nice to have words for both of them.

lyrareturns 5y ago

Maybe you were the one who sucked.