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>Yeah, just not in any combat duty That is false. Middle and upper class are more likely to serve in combat roles than lower class. >Combat is for the lower c

by YATA1 4y ago

>Yeah, just not in any combat duty That is false. Middle and upper class are more likely to serve in combat roles than lower class. >Combat is for the lower classes, preferably rural poor Complete opposite actually.

analognoise 4y ago
Just define "upper" class at 65k/yr household income, and boom! Lots of upper class households serve!
- YATA1 4y ago
  $65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies. Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands. Facts don't care about your feelings. [0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf
  - analognoise 4y ago
    ...that actually supports my point though? Facts don't care about feelings, but this doesn't support your point at all.
    - YATA1 4y ago
      >...that actually supports my point though? It actually doesn't. >Facts don't care about feelings, but this doesn't support your point at all. It 100% supports the OPs point: lower classes are underrepresented. Upper classes are overrepresented. QED.
      - analognoise 4y ago
        You're talking about a society with HIGHER wealth inequality than right before the French Revolution, and you're defining "upper class" as anything above 60-odd K - an amount that would not allow you to rent a two bedroom apartment...almost anywhere in the USA. It... Doesn't support your point at all? Here's the Wall Street Journal saying the quiet part out loud: https://www.wsj.com/articles/student-debt-relief-payment-pause-free-colege-military-navy-recruitment-education-11649800856 https://www.wsj.com/articles/student-debt-relief-payment-pau... "If young Americans can access free college without having to earn the GI Bill or sign up for follow-on military service, will they volunteer for the armed forces in adequate numbers?" It's really hard to say "rich people are overrepresented" and then "who will sign up if we make college free" in the same breath.
        YATA1 4y ago
        >You're talking about a society with HIGHER wealth inequality than right before the French Revolution Immaterial. The class definitions are in quantiles which means proportional per capita. The facts of the matter is the lower classes are underrepresented, the upper classes are overrepresented. QED. >and you're defining "upper class" as anything above 60-odd K - an amount that would not allow you to rent a two bedroom apartment...almost anywhere in the USA. "Upper classes", as in, the top quantile of classes. $60k (2007 numbers) would allow you to rent a two bedroom in almost everywhere in the USA, except the most expensive areas (in 2007). Not everyone is making $300k combined. Your SV bias is showing. >It... Doesn't support your point at all? It... 100% supports my point absolutely. >Here's the Wall Street Journal Paywalled opinion piece. >saying the quiet part out loud: Leftist shibboleth. Not that I'm surprised, but reddit is that way. >It's really hard to say "rich people are overrepresented" and then "who will sign up if we make college free" in the same breath. Yeah... Because it's an opinion piece from a random contributer that similarly fell for the fake news. Poor Americans are not joining the military in disproportionately higher numbers to pay for college and what have you. That is a fact. If college becomes free, the military can raise pay and sign on bonuses, add other programs, etc. They'll find a way, no doubt.
        analognoise 4y ago

by YATA1 4y ago

analognoise 4y ago

Just define "upper" class at 65k/yr household income, and boom! Lots of upper class households serve!

YATA1 4y ago
$65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies. Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands. Facts don't care about your feelings. [0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf
- analognoise 4y ago
  ...that actually supports my point though? Facts don't care about feelings, but this doesn't support your point at all.
  - YATA1 4y ago
    >...that actually supports my point though? It actually doesn't. >Facts don't care about feelings, but this doesn't support your point at all. It 100% supports the OPs point: lower classes are underrepresented. Upper classes are overrepresented. QED.
    - analognoise 4y ago
      You're talking about a society with HIGHER wealth inequality than right before the French Revolution, and you're defining "upper class" as anything above 60-odd K - an amount that would not allow you to rent a two bedroom apartment...almost anywhere in the USA. It... Doesn't support your point at all? Here's the Wall Street Journal saying the quiet part out loud: https://www.wsj.com/articles/student-debt-relief-payment-pause-free-colege-military-navy-recruitment-education-11649800856 https://www.wsj.com/articles/student-debt-relief-payment-pau... "If young Americans can access free college without having to earn the GI Bill or sign up for follow-on military service, will they volunteer for the armed forces in adequate numbers?" It's really hard to say "rich people are overrepresented" and then "who will sign up if we make college free" in the same breath.
      - YATA1 4y ago
        >You're talking about a society with HIGHER wealth inequality than right before the French Revolution Immaterial. The class definitions are in quantiles which means proportional per capita. The facts of the matter is the lower classes are underrepresented, the upper classes are overrepresented. QED. >and you're defining "upper class" as anything above 60-odd K - an amount that would not allow you to rent a two bedroom apartment...almost anywhere in the USA. "Upper classes", as in, the top quantile of classes. $60k (2007 numbers) would allow you to rent a two bedroom in almost everywhere in the USA, except the most expensive areas (in 2007). Not everyone is making $300k combined. Your SV bias is showing. >It... Doesn't support your point at all? It... 100% supports my point absolutely. >Here's the Wall Street Journal Paywalled opinion piece. >saying the quiet part out loud: Leftist shibboleth. Not that I'm surprised, but reddit is that way. >It's really hard to say "rich people are overrepresented" and then "who will sign up if we make college free" in the same breath. Yeah... Because it's an opinion piece from a random contributer that similarly fell for the fake news. Poor Americans are not joining the military in disproportionately higher numbers to pay for college and what have you. That is a fact. If college becomes free, the military can raise pay and sign on bonuses, add other programs, etc. They'll find a way, no doubt.
        analognoise 4y ago