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you seem to be conflating Russian military with Soviet military as if they enjoyed a significant divergence, but in reality one is just a progression of the oth

you seem to be conflating Russian military with Soviet military as if they enjoyed a significant divergence, but in reality one is just a progression of the other. the SU35 for example can still stalk down an SR71, just as its soviet SU25 could. Dead Hand is not a former soviet technology, it is actively maintained, staffed, and funded. as the CCCP invented the ICBM, i have full confidence in Russias ability to deliver it. Sarmat is the latest ICBM in development with planned service this year. much like their American counterparts (minuteman) missiles and technology are regularly advanced and upgraded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat

saiya-jin 5y ago
Man, you must have been living under a rock for past month. All these statements about Russian military were claimed for few decades on general level, and they seemed to match reality when small conflicts were happening. Then Ukraine happened and basically none of the predicted capacities and skills 'actively maintained' of russian military were displayed when facing actual equipped and trained army. You disregard completely utter corruption, thievery and incompetence on all levels including top of power pyramid. I have 0 doubts that Russians have working nukes of various loads and range. I am very positive that number of usable ones is somewhere in 1-5% range and its often not immediately clear which are which. If there was any maintenance to be done, rest assured it was skimmed and funds stolen. If any replacement should have happened, it was stolen too. Few nukes got probably stolen themselves. That's how state works for a long time, that's how Volodya keeps all bloodthirsty underlings happy, and these are side effects.
- TMWNN 5y ago
  >I have 0 doubts that Russians have working nukes of various loads and range. I am very positive that number of usable ones is somewhere in 1-5% range and its often not immediately clear which are which. I've been thinking about this possibility for a while: * Putin fires tactical atomic weapon at some empty plot of Ukrainian land, and announces it as a "demonstration" of Russian might. * The weapon is a dud. I'm not sure whether this outcome might not be worse in the long run, in terms of geopolitical stability, than if the weapon performs as expected!
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Then Ukraine happened and basically none of the predicted capacities and skills 'actively maintained' of russian military were displayed when facing actual equipped and trained army. For instance, the thing with the tires: https://twitter.com/trenttelenko/status/1499164245250002944 https://twitter.com/trenttelenko/status/1499164245250002944.
- foverzar 5y ago
  > Then Ukraine happened and basically none of the predicted capacities and skills 'actively maintained' of russian military were displayed when facing actual equipped and trained army. What do you suppose should have happened? Especially in regards to strategic arms which are discussed in the thread?
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > What do you suppose should have happened? Especially in regards to strategic arms which are discussed in the thread? I think the implication is that some of the problems the Russian military has had in Ukraine could be indications of systemic issues (e.g. neglecting basic maintenance even before a planned war, like the tire thing I linked below). Maybe their nuclear forces don't have those issues, but maybe they do. However, personally, I wouldn't bet on those issues continuing (even if they in fact do), because it's more risky to underestimate and become overconfident.
tetsusaiga 5y ago
> can still stalk down an SR71, just as its soviet SU25 could Did an SU-25 write this?
dragonwriter 5y ago
> the SU35 for example can still stalk down an SR71, just as its soviet SU25 could. At best, you are confusing Sukhoi with Mikoyan-Gurevich at least once here; the Su-25 definitely couldn't stalk a SR-71. (A MiG-35 or Su-35 doing so is a bit of stretch, too, but less implausible.)
z303 5y ago
Isn't the SU-25 [1], a close air support plane roughly equivalent in role to the A-10 [2]? The Su-37 had its first flight in early 2008 [3] about ten years after the SR-71 was retired [4]. If you mean the SU-27 that indeed flew in 1977 [5] but only has a service celling of 19km, much less than the SR-71's 26km. Above top secret has an interesting thread on how you would actually go about such an interception [6] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunde... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35 [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27 [6] https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread174271/pg1 https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread174271/pg1

saiya-jin 5y ago

Man, you must have been living under a rock for past month. All these statements about Russian military were claimed for few decades on general level, and they seemed to match reality when small conflicts were happening. Then Ukraine happened and basically none of the predicted capacities and skills 'actively maintained' of russian military were displayed when facing actual equipped and trained army. You disregard completely utter corruption, thievery and incompetence on all levels including top of power pyramid. I have 0 doubts that Russians have working nukes of various loads and range. I am very positive that number of usable ones is somewhere in 1-5% range and its often not immediately clear which are which. If there was any maintenance to be done, rest assured it was skimmed and funds stolen. If any replacement should have happened, it was stolen too. Few nukes got probably stolen themselves. That's how state works for a long time, that's how Volodya keeps all bloodthirsty underlings happy, and these are side effects.

TMWNN 5y ago
>I have 0 doubts that Russians have working nukes of various loads and range. I am very positive that number of usable ones is somewhere in 1-5% range and its often not immediately clear which are which. I've been thinking about this possibility for a while: * Putin fires tactical atomic weapon at some empty plot of Ukrainian land, and announces it as a "demonstration" of Russian might. * The weapon is a dud. I'm not sure whether this outcome might not be worse in the long run, in terms of geopolitical stability, than if the weapon performs as expected!
tablespoon 5y ago
> Then Ukraine happened and basically none of the predicted capacities and skills 'actively maintained' of russian military were displayed when facing actual equipped and trained army. For instance, the thing with the tires: https://twitter.com/trenttelenko/status/1499164245250002944 https://twitter.com/trenttelenko/status/1499164245250002944.
foverzar 5y ago
> Then Ukraine happened and basically none of the predicted capacities and skills 'actively maintained' of russian military were displayed when facing actual equipped and trained army. What do you suppose should have happened? Especially in regards to strategic arms which are discussed in the thread?
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > What do you suppose should have happened? Especially in regards to strategic arms which are discussed in the thread? I think the implication is that some of the problems the Russian military has had in Ukraine could be indications of systemic issues (e.g. neglecting basic maintenance even before a planned war, like the tire thing I linked below). Maybe their nuclear forces don't have those issues, but maybe they do. However, personally, I wouldn't bet on those issues continuing (even if they in fact do), because it's more risky to underestimate and become overconfident.

tetsusaiga 5y ago

> can still stalk down an SR71, just as its soviet SU25 could Did an SU-25 write this?

dragonwriter 5y ago

> the SU35 for example can still stalk down an SR71, just as its soviet SU25 could. At best, you are confusing Sukhoi with Mikoyan-Gurevich at least once here; the Su-25 definitely couldn't stalk a SR-71. (A MiG-35 or Su-35 doing so is a bit of stretch, too, but less implausible.)

z303 5y ago

Isn't the SU-25 [1], a close air support plane roughly equivalent in role to the A-10 [2]? The Su-37 had its first flight in early 2008 [3] about ten years after the SR-71 was retired [4]. If you mean the SU-27 that indeed flew in 1977 [5] but only has a service celling of 19km, much less than the SR-71's 26km. Above top secret has an interesting thread on how you would actually go about such an interception [6] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunde... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35 [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27 [6] https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread174271/pg1 https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread174271/pg1