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Do you have a source for that? The nearest I could find was this[0] and it doesn't support your assertion. [0] https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us

Do you have a source for that? The nearest I could find was this[0] and it doesn't support your assertion. [0] https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military

aksss 5y ago
Yes, and that data stops the grouping of household income at $87k and higher, which isn’t really that high of a floor, and is telling in itself. There are no further breakouts, such as 87-100, 100-200, 200+ because it would presumably be insignificant.
- YATA1 5y ago
  Because that is reality. $65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies. Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands. [0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf
- actuallyalys 5y ago
  The link YATA1's been posting actually does [0]. About 3.46 percent of people enlisting come from households making more than $100K, although those households make up about 8 percent of the population [1]. In general, it looks like it matches the population more than the quintile breakdowns do. [0]: On page 6: http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf#page=6 http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf#page... [1]: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2007/demo/cps/hinc-06.html https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2007/demo/cps/hinc-06.htm...
YATA1 5y ago
"Enlisted recruits in 2006 and 2007 came primarily from middle-class and upper-middle-class backgrounds. Low-income neighborhoods were underrepresented among enlisted troops, while middle-class and high-income neighborhoods were overrepresented." [0] "Military recruits mirror the U.S. population and are solidly middle class. A recent report shows that more recruits come from middle-income families, with far fewer drawn from poorer families. Youth from upper-income families are represented at almost exactly their fair share." Your source is inaccurate because it's for enlisted only. Upper class are far more likely to be officers or warrant officers. My point stands: upper class serve more than lower class. [0] https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/who-serves-the-us-military-the-demographics-enlisted-troops-and-officers https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/who-serves-the-us-mi... [1] https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/whos-joining-military-myth-vs-fact.html https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/whos-joining-mili...
- dagw 5y ago
  My point stands: upper class serve more than lower class. While that may very well be true, it i worth highlighting that the reports you are citing as evidence is looking at the years 2003 and 2006-2007, and a lot has changed, economically and politically, since then. Also their cut off for "high-income" seems to be significantly lower than what most people would consider "upper class".
  - relaxing 5y ago
    “Upper class starts at $65k/yr” is peak Heritage Foundation.
    - monocasa 5y ago
      Jeeze, not just 65k, but 65k household as your neighborhood's median.
      - YATA1 5y ago
        Because that is reality. $65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies. Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands. [0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf
        monocasa 5y ago
        Or that just means that upper class doesn't start at the boundary of the top quantile. I'm sorry but no stretch of the imagination has upper class as a couple making 33k/yr each. That's absolutely absurd. That's $16.50 an hour with no overtime. Looking at it, upper class typically is the top one or two percent of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_upper_class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_upper_class
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aksss 5y ago

Yes, and that data stops the grouping of household income at $87k and higher, which isn’t really that high of a floor, and is telling in itself. There are no further breakouts, such as 87-100, 100-200, 200+ because it would presumably be insignificant.

YATA1 5y ago
Because that is reality. $65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies. Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands. [0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf
actuallyalys 5y ago
The link YATA1's been posting actually does [0]. About 3.46 percent of people enlisting come from households making more than $100K, although those households make up about 8 percent of the population [1]. In general, it looks like it matches the population more than the quintile breakdowns do. [0]: On page 6: http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf#page=6 http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf#page... [1]: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2007/demo/cps/hinc-06.html https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2007/demo/cps/hinc-06.htm...

YATA1 5y ago

"Enlisted recruits in 2006 and 2007 came primarily from middle-class and upper-middle-class backgrounds. Low-income neighborhoods were underrepresented among enlisted troops, while middle-class and high-income neighborhoods were overrepresented." [0] "Military recruits mirror the U.S. population and are solidly middle class. A recent report shows that more recruits come from middle-income families, with far fewer drawn from poorer families. Youth from upper-income families are represented at almost exactly their fair share." Your source is inaccurate because it's for enlisted only. Upper class are far more likely to be officers or warrant officers. My point stands: upper class serve more than lower class. [0] https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/who-serves-the-us-military-the-demographics-enlisted-troops-and-officers https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/who-serves-the-us-mi... [1] https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/whos-joining-military-myth-vs-fact.html https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/whos-joining-mili...

dagw 5y ago
My point stands: upper class serve more than lower class. While that may very well be true, it i worth highlighting that the reports you are citing as evidence is looking at the years 2003 and 2006-2007, and a lot has changed, economically and politically, since then. Also their cut off for "high-income" seems to be significantly lower than what most people would consider "upper class".
- relaxing 5y ago
  “Upper class starts at $65k/yr” is peak Heritage Foundation.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    Jeeze, not just 65k, but 65k household as your neighborhood's median.
    - YATA1 5y ago
      Because that is reality. $65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies. Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands. [0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf
      - monocasa 5y ago
        Or that just means that upper class doesn't start at the boundary of the top quantile. I'm sorry but no stretch of the imagination has upper class as a couple making 33k/yr each. That's absolutely absurd. That's $16.50 an hour with no overtime. Looking at it, upper class typically is the top one or two percent of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_upper_class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_upper_class

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