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From what we know deletion of account was mutually agreed between Flickr and IA.. and was carried out with no consultation or prior warning, and no consideratio

by johtso 5y ago

From what we know deletion of account was mutually agreed between Flickr and IA.. and was carried out with no consultation or prior warning, and no consideration for all the lost metadata. Edit: To clarify, the internet archive did not consult or warn the users of the collection. There's currently an open letter to IA and Flickr for people to sign to try and call on them to find a better resolution: https://openletter.earth/open-letter-to-flickr-and-internet-archive-to-save-collection-of-52-million-book-image-scans-72496902 https://openletter.earth/open-letter-to-flickr-and-internet-...

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
EDIT: Original title of this submission claimed that Flickr deleted the account, not that Internet Archive deleted their own account. My comment below is in the context of that claim. Do you have a reputable source for this from the Internet Archive (not speculation)? It literally says that the Internet Archive deleted their account, not Flickr. Unless the support thread is wrong, I don’t see how your claim about no consultation and no warning is consistent.
- johtso 5y ago
  By no consultation or warning I mean that the Internet Archive did not consult users of the resource or give any warning that they would be deleting it. https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157720510495566/#reply72157720510889176 https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157720510495566/#r... "The Internet Archive Book Images recently deleted their Flickr account. >Flickr and Internet Archive were in agreement on this< because:" https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157720510495566/#reply72157720592940520 https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157720510495566/#r... "Hey, all. We're sorry for what seems like a sudden removal of the Internet Archive account. This decision came after weeks of conversation and coordination with the Internet Archive."
  - tempnow987 5y ago
    I believe most of the images are still available directly from IA. For many with lighter copyright you can certainly host them elsewhere as well.
    - johtso 5y ago
      The real issues are: 1. All the lost metadata. By making the images available on Flickr users were unearthing the interesting images from the 5 million plus collection and creating all sorts of valuable metadata. 2. There is no way to explore the images as they are stored on IA. At a certain point if the data can't be explored it may as well not be available.

by johtso 5y ago

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

EDIT: Original title of this submission claimed that Flickr deleted the account, not that Internet Archive deleted their own account. My comment below is in the context of that claim. Do you have a reputable source for this from the Internet Archive (not speculation)? It literally says that the Internet Archive deleted their account, not Flickr. Unless the support thread is wrong, I don’t see how your claim about no consultation and no warning is consistent.

johtso 5y ago
By no consultation or warning I mean that the Internet Archive did not consult users of the resource or give any warning that they would be deleting it. https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157720510495566/#reply72157720510889176 https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157720510495566/#r... "The Internet Archive Book Images recently deleted their Flickr account. >Flickr and Internet Archive were in agreement on this< because:" https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157720510495566/#reply72157720592940520 https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157720510495566/#r... "Hey, all. We're sorry for what seems like a sudden removal of the Internet Archive account. This decision came after weeks of conversation and coordination with the Internet Archive."
- tempnow987 5y ago
  I believe most of the images are still available directly from IA. For many with lighter copyright you can certainly host them elsewhere as well.
  - johtso 5y ago
    The real issues are: 1. All the lost metadata. By making the images available on Flickr users were unearthing the interesting images from the 5 million plus collection and creating all sorts of valuable metadata. 2. There is no way to explore the images as they are stored on IA. At a certain point if the data can't be explored it may as well not be available.