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Depends on enforcement. Not all jurisdictions are immediately going to accept this data. It's rife with potential abuse. What's even the point? Have you ever tr

Depends on enforcement. Not all jurisdictions are immediately going to accept this data. It's rife with potential abuse. What's even the point? Have you ever tried not speeding? Literally everyone is technically speeding. So what's the point? Government revenue? I guess sure it needs that, so many governments are tremendously bankrupt. Flipside, what does this really do? It's worse than police. When governments choose to develop revenue like this, it makes the police hostile toward the populace. Every single ticket incrementally increases fear in police and decreases police effectiveness. Now do this with general populace at scale? Your fellow citizens are now the enemy. Ever so slightly those same knobs will tweak and what happens? Fear of your fellow citizens will not go well. Politicians would be forced to discontinue the app, but at the same time the amount of revenue would make it never happened. Speed limits do nothing but decrease, despite increase in driving safety tech. The incentives of this creates a system which will be very bad for society.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>Now do this with general populace at scale? Your fellow citizens are now the enemy. Ever so slightly those same knobs will tweak and what happens? Fear of your fellow citizens will not go well The 11/10ths cynical and optimistic take is that the sooner we make things so bad that the people who don't wanna be involved get involve the sooner the people who think these sorts of "turn people on each other" things are good will, um, return their carbon to the environment.
- incomingpain 5y ago
  >The 11/10ths cynical and optimistic take is that the sooner we make things so bad that the people who don't wanna be involved get involve the sooner the people who think these sorts of "turn people on each other" things are good will, um, return their carbon to the environment. It never really plays out into violence. France implemented speed trap cams all over their highways and I'm sure they are all 100% calibrated and only ever give out legitimate tickets... So what happens? People stop driving on the highways. They hit the backroads where those speedtraps dont exist. Then those backroads get WRECKED. They havent had the investment or design for this sudden change in usage. Hell, I used to live in a small city. Per capita speeding tickets issued was often listed as highest in north america. Year after year. So what did I do? I left. I dont even speed, but it's obvious why the city is in huge decline for decades. Why they objectively have one of the worst brain drain per capita issues in the world.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    I'm talking about these sorts of "narc on your neighbor" systems in general, not this specific implementation against this specific infraction.
Aspos 5y ago
>Have you ever tried not speeding? Literally everyone is technically speeding This is rather a local problem specific to the US. It was shocking to find out that speed limits in the US are not limits really.
- incomingpain 5y ago
  >This is rather a local problem specific to the US. It was shocking to find out that speed limits in the US are not limits really. I was shocked when I found out Australia doesn't allow 1km/h over the speed limit. There's some straight and flat rural highways whose speed limit was 60km/h. Should probably have been 120km/h. Whereas this one other road which I really enjoyed driving was twisty, hilly, blind corner after blind corner. Speed limit 90km/h. I was scared to drive the speed limit there, I tended to stay around 70km/h and NOBODY passed me or even got behind me. In fact I was probably one of the fastest drivers. Australia's speed limits don't make sense at all and worse not allowing 1km/h over makes the issue worse. Especially with risk of mobile speed traps. Driving around Australia was stupid, probably one of the key reasons I would not move there. I love australia in so many ways, even have family with permanent residence there. I would literally kill to get myself a holden ute maloo with manual trans. Now, if we did the same... no speeding at all. I guarantee most if not all roads would be so artificially low on speed limit that it would be equally stupid. Police don't enforce speed limits because it doesn't make sense to do so. All governments have an important unwritten rule. All crimes can criminalize 20% of the population AT MOST. Murder never has this problem because 20% of the population is not murdering. If 50% of the population smokes weed. You must decriminalize or legalize. With speed limits where they are in north america... easily 90% of people are criminalized. Police cant enforce that law. Clearly the law doesnt change behaviour. What do you think would happen to the politician who says police start enforcing 1km/h over the speed limit. I suspect the prisoners at gitmo will be like DAMN that's harsh compared to my torture. The only way forward would be to raise speed limits until at maximum 20% of people are criminals. What do those speed limits look like? It sure isn't 60km/h on a rural flat and straight high way. Flipside, why are highways designed with artificially low speed limits to beginwith? Revenue generation for the government.
- tonylemesmer 5y ago

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

>Now do this with general populace at scale? Your fellow citizens are now the enemy. Ever so slightly those same knobs will tweak and what happens? Fear of your fellow citizens will not go well The 11/10ths cynical and optimistic take is that the sooner we make things so bad that the people who don't wanna be involved get involve the sooner the people who think these sorts of "turn people on each other" things are good will, um, return their carbon to the environment.

incomingpain 5y ago
>The 11/10ths cynical and optimistic take is that the sooner we make things so bad that the people who don't wanna be involved get involve the sooner the people who think these sorts of "turn people on each other" things are good will, um, return their carbon to the environment. It never really plays out into violence. France implemented speed trap cams all over their highways and I'm sure they are all 100% calibrated and only ever give out legitimate tickets... So what happens? People stop driving on the highways. They hit the backroads where those speedtraps dont exist. Then those backroads get WRECKED. They havent had the investment or design for this sudden change in usage. Hell, I used to live in a small city. Per capita speeding tickets issued was often listed as highest in north america. Year after year. So what did I do? I left. I dont even speed, but it's obvious why the city is in huge decline for decades. Why they objectively have one of the worst brain drain per capita issues in the world.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  I'm talking about these sorts of "narc on your neighbor" systems in general, not this specific implementation against this specific infraction.

Aspos 5y ago

>Have you ever tried not speeding? Literally everyone is technically speeding This is rather a local problem specific to the US. It was shocking to find out that speed limits in the US are not limits really.

incomingpain 5y ago
>This is rather a local problem specific to the US. It was shocking to find out that speed limits in the US are not limits really. I was shocked when I found out Australia doesn't allow 1km/h over the speed limit. There's some straight and flat rural highways whose speed limit was 60km/h. Should probably have been 120km/h. Whereas this one other road which I really enjoyed driving was twisty, hilly, blind corner after blind corner. Speed limit 90km/h. I was scared to drive the speed limit there, I tended to stay around 70km/h and NOBODY passed me or even got behind me. In fact I was probably one of the fastest drivers. Australia's speed limits don't make sense at all and worse not allowing 1km/h over makes the issue worse. Especially with risk of mobile speed traps. Driving around Australia was stupid, probably one of the key reasons I would not move there. I love australia in so many ways, even have family with permanent residence there. I would literally kill to get myself a holden ute maloo with manual trans. Now, if we did the same... no speeding at all. I guarantee most if not all roads would be so artificially low on speed limit that it would be equally stupid. Police don't enforce speed limits because it doesn't make sense to do so. All governments have an important unwritten rule. All crimes can criminalize 20% of the population AT MOST. Murder never has this problem because 20% of the population is not murdering. If 50% of the population smokes weed. You must decriminalize or legalize. With speed limits where they are in north america... easily 90% of people are criminalized. Police cant enforce that law. Clearly the law doesnt change behaviour. What do you think would happen to the politician who says police start enforcing 1km/h over the speed limit. I suspect the prisoners at gitmo will be like DAMN that's harsh compared to my torture. The only way forward would be to raise speed limits until at maximum 20% of people are criminals. What do those speed limits look like? It sure isn't 60km/h on a rural flat and straight high way. Flipside, why are highways designed with artificially low speed limits to beginwith? Revenue generation for the government.
tonylemesmer 5y ago