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Ugh hits hard. At the moment I try to exercise for an hour a day, i'm learning to code in Swift with lessons that are roughly an hour a day and do an hour of g

Ugh hits hard. At the moment I try to exercise for an hour a day, i'm learning to code in Swift with lessons that are roughly an hour a day and do an hour of guitar of guitar a day plus try to keep a few other things going and it's so difficult with a full time job, but else if you don't do it, life is just work and then home and repeat, how are you ever meant to develop yourself?

toyg 5y ago
> i'm learning to code in Swift IT has normalized this idea that you do professional development in your free time, instead that on the job. This is not the case for many (most?) other areas. Anybody in this position: ask your managers for time. Talk about expected career development. Invoke the Google 20% (yeah yeah, I know, not perfect, but still). We need to reclaim our free time as actually free from work of any sort, even if we like our work.
- aynyc 5y ago
  Most careers have career development done outside of the job except certain apprenticeship programs, but if you want to get your master license, you are going to work outside of your job. That said, many licensed professions have Continuous Education requirements that you can incorporate into the job. From my personal experience, I honestly can't think of any high-paying jobs that have career development built-into the job.
  - toyg 5y ago
    I know plenty of people who, after being identified for career progression, were sent on courses and certifications on company time (and dime). Factory supervisors, bank managers, etc etc. This is Europe, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case in any vaguely-unionized job even in the US.
gexla 5y ago
I think the development question forces hard choices. Your choice right now is to work a full time job. The development may need to happen at work. If you can't develop there, then maybe look for a job which is more flexible. Alternatively, look for ways in which you can work from home or even go solo. I feel like filling after-work hours with "development" things isn't the way to go. Personally, I need my time for "doing nothing" or allowing my brain to wander. I feel that creative energy needs this space.

toyg 5y ago

> i'm learning to code in Swift IT has normalized this idea that you do professional development in your free time, instead that on the job. This is not the case for many (most?) other areas. Anybody in this position: ask your managers for time. Talk about expected career development. Invoke the Google 20% (yeah yeah, I know, not perfect, but still). We need to reclaim our free time as actually free from work of any sort, even if we like our work.

aynyc 5y ago
Most careers have career development done outside of the job except certain apprenticeship programs, but if you want to get your master license, you are going to work outside of your job. That said, many licensed professions have Continuous Education requirements that you can incorporate into the job. From my personal experience, I honestly can't think of any high-paying jobs that have career development built-into the job.
- toyg 5y ago
  I know plenty of people who, after being identified for career progression, were sent on courses and certifications on company time (and dime). Factory supervisors, bank managers, etc etc. This is Europe, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case in any vaguely-unionized job even in the US.

gexla 5y ago

I think the development question forces hard choices. Your choice right now is to work a full time job. The development may need to happen at work. If you can't develop there, then maybe look for a job which is more flexible. Alternatively, look for ways in which you can work from home or even go solo. I feel like filling after-work hours with "development" things isn't the way to go. Personally, I need my time for "doing nothing" or allowing my brain to wander. I feel that creative energy needs this space.