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If you feel the need to bring this up in such an unrelated topic, I think you may have an unhealthy relation with either transphobia or genitalia.

by swores 5y ago

oska 5y ago
Not commenting on the particular issue that the GP used to illustrate their point about free speech but because Elon has definitely raised concerns about censorship on twitter before their comment is relevant. A sizeable stake in the company should presumably give him some influence in determining twitter's policies. (Also, I think your comment breaks several of the 'In comments' guidelines)
- swores 5y ago
  You're right my comment does technically, but in my defence it wasn't responding to a good faith discussion about free speech, it was responding to a bad faith transphobic talking point. But yeah I could've made that point more politely.
  - daft_isnt_it 5y ago
    It's not transphobic to point out material biological reality. This accusation gets thrown around far too easily these days; it's really losing its power. A few years ago, if someone was accused of saying something transphobic, I'd think, wow they really must have said something horrible like a slur or an abusive remark. Nowadays, I just assume that they mentioned a previously uncontroversial fact relating to biological sex.
da39a3ee 5y ago
I don't agree with you. For me , no longer feeling free to state the simple biological definitions that I assign to the words "man" and "woman" is absolutely the first thing I think of when someone mentions freedom of speech. On Twitter and off.
- swores 5y ago
  Unless you're personally trans or transphobic, what is it about those words that make them the most important thing to you when it comes to freedom of speech? They're not remotely what comes into my head for that subject, and I can think of many things where freedom of speech is far more important to me than which words are used in which ways to define sex/gender/etc. Is it possible that you too have allowed minority interest groups to convince you that trans people are the next big threat, just as gay people were decades ago, and that's why it's the first thing you think of? (Not a rhetorical question, I don't know anything about you and hopefully you're completely not transphobic! But many transphobic people don't consider that word to describe them yet do fall for and repeat explicitly transphobic agendas...)
  - ramblerman 5y ago
    You keep framing this issue as if it only affects trans people. The biological definition of man and woman is a category that's pretty relevant to everyone. And pulling the rug out from under a biological concept, and then saying "Oh how strange that you all are thinking about this, it must only be because you are a transphobe, or a pervert" is an extremely disingenuous argument at best.
    - swores 5y ago
      I asked a genuine question of why it matters so much to you (and explained that it was a genuine question because I dont feel it matters to me) and you haven't answered, instead you've just accused me of not caring about your view. Please enlighten me if there's a non-transphobic reason to care what pronounces my next door neighbour uses. And nobody is talking about pulling the rug from biological concepts - they're remaining the same regardless of what language we all use. "Male-born" and "penis-having" for example are (and I've no idea if these are the best / commonly accepted terms, this isn't an area I know much about) and I'm sure plenty of other related terms can still describe exact situations if you're wanting to think about someone's genitals while using their pronouns. But unless you're a doctor about to operate on me or somebody I want to have sex with, I probably don't care if you know what genitals I have or don't have nor do I understand why you'd think it important to know.
andrewinardeer 5y ago
Or has watched 'Kindergarten Cop' too much.
- arrakis2021 5y ago
  This guy gets it

If you feel the need to bring this up in such an unrelated topic, I think you may have an unhealthy relation with either transphobia or genitalia.

by swores 5y ago

If you feel the need to bring this up in such an unrelated topic, I think you may have an unhealthy relation with either transphobia or genitalia.

oska 5y ago

Not commenting on the particular issue that the GP used to illustrate their point about free speech but because Elon has definitely raised concerns about censorship on twitter before their comment is relevant. A sizeable stake in the company should presumably give him some influence in determining twitter's policies. (Also, I think your comment breaks several of the 'In comments' guidelines)

swores 5y ago
You're right my comment does technically, but in my defence it wasn't responding to a good faith discussion about free speech, it was responding to a bad faith transphobic talking point. But yeah I could've made that point more politely.
- daft_isnt_it 5y ago
  It's not transphobic to point out material biological reality. This accusation gets thrown around far too easily these days; it's really losing its power. A few years ago, if someone was accused of saying something transphobic, I'd think, wow they really must have said something horrible like a slur or an abusive remark. Nowadays, I just assume that they mentioned a previously uncontroversial fact relating to biological sex.

da39a3ee 5y ago

I don't agree with you. For me , no longer feeling free to state the simple biological definitions that I assign to the words "man" and "woman" is absolutely the first thing I think of when someone mentions freedom of speech. On Twitter and off.

swores 5y ago
Unless you're personally trans or transphobic, what is it about those words that make them the most important thing to you when it comes to freedom of speech? They're not remotely what comes into my head for that subject, and I can think of many things where freedom of speech is far more important to me than which words are used in which ways to define sex/gender/etc. Is it possible that you too have allowed minority interest groups to convince you that trans people are the next big threat, just as gay people were decades ago, and that's why it's the first thing you think of? (Not a rhetorical question, I don't know anything about you and hopefully you're completely not transphobic! But many transphobic people don't consider that word to describe them yet do fall for and repeat explicitly transphobic agendas...)
- ramblerman 5y ago
  You keep framing this issue as if it only affects trans people. The biological definition of man and woman is a category that's pretty relevant to everyone. And pulling the rug out from under a biological concept, and then saying "Oh how strange that you all are thinking about this, it must only be because you are a transphobe, or a pervert" is an extremely disingenuous argument at best.
  - swores 5y ago
    I asked a genuine question of why it matters so much to you (and explained that it was a genuine question because I dont feel it matters to me) and you haven't answered, instead you've just accused me of not caring about your view. Please enlighten me if there's a non-transphobic reason to care what pronounces my next door neighbour uses. And nobody is talking about pulling the rug from biological concepts - they're remaining the same regardless of what language we all use. "Male-born" and "penis-having" for example are (and I've no idea if these are the best / commonly accepted terms, this isn't an area I know much about) and I'm sure plenty of other related terms can still describe exact situations if you're wanting to think about someone's genitals while using their pronouns. But unless you're a doctor about to operate on me or somebody I want to have sex with, I probably don't care if you know what genitals I have or don't have nor do I understand why you'd think it important to know.

andrewinardeer 5y ago

Or has watched 'Kindergarten Cop' too much.

arrakis2021 5y ago
This guy gets it