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No, KGB was not disrupted at any point. FSB's predecessor name after KGB was FSK. All three run by same people sitting in the same offices.

by varjag 5y ago

thriftwy 5y ago
FSK was created in late December, 1993. As it name implies, it started with counter-intelligence. And the fun thing is, it was not created by "the same people who ran Soviet KGB", but by the Ukrainian intelligence officer who previously converted KGB of Ukrainian SSR to SNBU (Ukraine's secret service). The conversion of Ukraine KGB to SNBU and later to SBU was straightforward and happened on the spot, but the creation of FSK/FSB was happening much later, in multiple stages and they did seem to inherit only minor pieces of KGB. Source: https://telegra.ph/SBU-protiv-FSB-08-12 https://telegra.ph/SBU-protiv-FSB-08-12 - I did not verify these claims but they do seem interesting.
- varjag 5y ago
  It hasn't "started" as anything, it was literally same people in same Lubyanka offices.
  - thriftwy 5y ago
    Have you read the article? It explicitly claims that 14 of the 15 top Lubyanka officers ceased working with secret services and exited the field. So it was new people with different background who got ahold of these offices after a long 1991-1995 leave. Maybe they did rehire some of rank-and-file agents. Eventually.
    - varjag 5y ago
      No, I don't have time for conspiracist crap: there's way too much of it and mental health is finite resource. The event were contemporary to me and I still have a sound memory. Do you really think KGB had 15 operatives? You seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Cheka has never lost the continuity, that's the major problem of Russia right now.
      - thriftwy 5y ago
        These are KGB's top brass and not just some agents. I am saying that KGB ceased to be in 1991 and FSB was created in late 1993. You are saying it is a conspiracy theory, because "because".
        varjag 5y ago
        It did not cease to exist just because a few apparatchiks were shuffled. Bortnikov has started his career in KGB, continued through FSK and is now the head og FSB. Perfect continuity. Patrushev, the previous head of FSB before getting appointed to the Security Council also started as a KGB officer, continued in FSK until it was reformed into FSB. Thousands upon thousands of lower ranks also continued working in the same organization, same offices, park on the same lots and refer to themselves as Chekists. To this day.
starwind 5y ago
I remember reading a chapter about the Russian internal security forces between the fall of the Soviet Union and 2005 and it kind of made my head spin. In a nutshell—the KGB was dissolved into like 3 organizations and over the next few years it was re-consolidated into the FSB, albeit with more control from the president (Putin)

No, KGB was not disrupted at any point. FSB's predecessor name after KGB was FSK. All three run by same people sitting in the same offices.

by varjag 5y ago

No, KGB was not disrupted at any point. FSB's predecessor name after KGB was FSK. All three run by same people sitting in the same offices.

thriftwy 5y ago

FSK was created in late December, 1993. As it name implies, it started with counter-intelligence. And the fun thing is, it was not created by "the same people who ran Soviet KGB", but by the Ukrainian intelligence officer who previously converted KGB of Ukrainian SSR to SNBU (Ukraine's secret service). The conversion of Ukraine KGB to SNBU and later to SBU was straightforward and happened on the spot, but the creation of FSK/FSB was happening much later, in multiple stages and they did seem to inherit only minor pieces of KGB. Source: https://telegra.ph/SBU-protiv-FSB-08-12 https://telegra.ph/SBU-protiv-FSB-08-12 - I did not verify these claims but they do seem interesting.

varjag 5y ago
It hasn't "started" as anything, it was literally same people in same Lubyanka offices.
- thriftwy 5y ago
  Have you read the article? It explicitly claims that 14 of the 15 top Lubyanka officers ceased working with secret services and exited the field. So it was new people with different background who got ahold of these offices after a long 1991-1995 leave. Maybe they did rehire some of rank-and-file agents. Eventually.
  - varjag 5y ago
    No, I don't have time for conspiracist crap: there's way too much of it and mental health is finite resource. The event were contemporary to me and I still have a sound memory. Do you really think KGB had 15 operatives? You seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Cheka has never lost the continuity, that's the major problem of Russia right now.
    - thriftwy 5y ago
      These are KGB's top brass and not just some agents. I am saying that KGB ceased to be in 1991 and FSB was created in late 1993. You are saying it is a conspiracy theory, because "because".
      - varjag 5y ago
        It did not cease to exist just because a few apparatchiks were shuffled. Bortnikov has started his career in KGB, continued through FSK and is now the head og FSB. Perfect continuity. Patrushev, the previous head of FSB before getting appointed to the Security Council also started as a KGB officer, continued in FSK until it was reformed into FSB. Thousands upon thousands of lower ranks also continued working in the same organization, same offices, park on the same lots and refer to themselves as Chekists. To this day.

starwind 5y ago

I remember reading a chapter about the Russian internal security forces between the fall of the Soviet Union and 2005 and it kind of made my head spin. In a nutshell—the KGB was dissolved into like 3 organizations and over the next few years it was re-consolidated into the FSB, albeit with more control from the president (Putin)