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I don’t think they should be ‘separated from each other’. What I meant was that they have diff social roles and different strengths/weaknesses. We shouldn’t be

I don’t think they should be ‘separated from each other’. What I meant was that they have diff social roles and different strengths/weaknesses. We shouldn’t be competing with those who are unequal to us. However, not competing doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t cooperate. The reason I brought up the example of healthcare is because that’s the most egregious injustice against women. Because of women’s biology and the primary care taking role they adopt(and are good at..), our healthcare needs are different. And yet..women are not taken seriously when they complain of pain and are always under prescribed pain meds. They are not believed if they explain their symptoms. It’s worse in the USA by all accounts Altho I don’t have first hand healthcare experience in other countries(well..other than india and UK). And yet, we are supposed to be peers with men who never go through half the illnesses or conditions we experience. Doesn’t quality of healthcare and health condition and mental well being affect how people work? How are we ‘equal’ to men? And yet…in a workplace you can’t discriminate. The only solution is to create separate economic blocs and healthcare blocs for different genders as we all have different struggles that affect our ability to perform in professional and social spheres. There is no need for seperataion in communal spheres. I think often about healthcare and health insurance that is exclusively for women. How will it change our quality of life? This isn’t to say that men are inferior or that women are superior..nor is it a victim card. Absolutely not! But to not see the differences is a fail. No one wins. So we come to pregnancy, PMS and menopause…all of which have been caricatured that many women feel like they shouldn’t complain. We are reduced and clubbed under the label of ‘ menstruating persons’ and ‘birthing people’. And these are official terms. Slowly our dignity and our identity is being erased. Men don’t care enough for women because it’s not their battle to fight(and that’s ok) because they have no lived experience. I don’t know why the third gender wants to appropriate our identity when they haven’t shared our struggles. Women are the silent majority whose cries aren’t heard anymore but are still judged as equal players and competitors on playing fields that is grossly unfair. P.S: I would have appreciated your words if you didn’t call my comment ‘deranged’. I am less inclined to take someone seriously when their evaluation of my words is needlessly rude. Perhaps choose your words and consider if it comes across as an insult. Thanks. ETA P.S2: In a forum that had an equal or higher split of male: female ratio unlike this testosterone heavy HN, my comment wouldn’t have been flagged. Or called ‘deranged’. There would have been at least some curiosity and a discussion even if there were some who would disagree. ETA PS3: Imagine if it is so in a small forum online…imagine how it would be for women who work in male dominated work places and a world that has more power vested with men. Men make decisions about women’s reproductive rights in Texas. A man in Utah decided that it’s ok for a transgender student to compete with biological girls students in high school sports. Transgender women insult biological women calling them TERFs. Women have lost all agency. This needs to change.

slibhb 5y ago
> I don’t think they should be ‘separated from each other’. What I meant was that they have diff social roles and different strengths/weaknesses. We shouldn’t be competing with those who are unequal to us. However, not competing doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t cooperate. Some women want to compete with men in the workplace, the academy, wherever. Besides, men are not equal to other men. Nor are women. > The reason I brought up the example of healthcare is because that’s the most egregious injustice against women. Because of women’s biology and the primary care taking role they adopt(and are good at..), our healthcare needs are different. And yet..women are not taken seriously when they complain of pain and are always under prescribed pain meds. They are not believed if they explain their symptoms. Most new doctors are women. Going forward, I think you're going to have a hard time blaming this on men doctors. > It’s worse in the USA by all accounts Altho I don’t have first hand healthcare experience in other countries(well..other than india and UK). And yet, we are supposed to be peers with men who never go through half the illnesses or conditions we experience. Doesn’t quality of healthcare and health condition and mental well being affect how people work? How are we ‘equal’ to men? Women have better immune systems than men and live longer. > So we come to pregnancy, PMS and menopause…all of which have been caricatured that many women feel like they shouldn’t complain. We are reduced and clubbed under the label of ‘ menstruating persons’ and ‘birthing people’. And these are official terms. Slowly our dignity and our identity is being erased. These are bizarre neologisms invented 5 minutes ago and used by a tiny group of people. I agree that they're grotesque but there's no reason to think they're going to catch on. > P.S: I would have appreciated your words if you didn’t call my comment ‘deranged’. I am less inclined to take someone seriously when their evaluation of my words is needlessly rude. Perhaps choose your words and consider if it comes across as an insult. Thanks. Sorry for "deranged" but you said men and women are different species. That's an extremely odd thing to say. > ETA P.S2: In a forum that had an equal or higher split of male: female ratio unlike this testosterone heavy HN, my comment wouldn’t have been flagged. Or called ‘deranged’. There would have been at least some curiosity and a discussion even if there were some who would disagree. Your post would be flagged almost anywhere on the internet. Most online spaces dominated by women would consider your views about trans people to be hate speech (I don't). I agree with you that men and women are not the same. But under the law, we are treated the same. This creates all sorts of conflicts. I don't know how to solve these conflicts, and equality under the law seems indispensible. I think we just have to live with an imperfect arrangement and I would point out that women aren't on the losing end of every conflict.

slibhb 5y ago

> I don’t think they should be ‘separated from each other’. What I meant was that they have diff social roles and different strengths/weaknesses. We shouldn’t be competing with those who are unequal to us. However, not competing doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t cooperate. Some women want to compete with men in the workplace, the academy, wherever. Besides, men are not equal to other men. Nor are women. > The reason I brought up the example of healthcare is because that’s the most egregious injustice against women. Because of women’s biology and the primary care taking role they adopt(and are good at..), our healthcare needs are different. And yet..women are not taken seriously when they complain of pain and are always under prescribed pain meds. They are not believed if they explain their symptoms. Most new doctors are women. Going forward, I think you're going to have a hard time blaming this on men doctors. > It’s worse in the USA by all accounts Altho I don’t have first hand healthcare experience in other countries(well..other than india and UK). And yet, we are supposed to be peers with men who never go through half the illnesses or conditions we experience. Doesn’t quality of healthcare and health condition and mental well being affect how people work? How are we ‘equal’ to men? Women have better immune systems than men and live longer. > So we come to pregnancy, PMS and menopause…all of which have been caricatured that many women feel like they shouldn’t complain. We are reduced and clubbed under the label of ‘ menstruating persons’ and ‘birthing people’. And these are official terms. Slowly our dignity and our identity is being erased. These are bizarre neologisms invented 5 minutes ago and used by a tiny group of people. I agree that they're grotesque but there's no reason to think they're going to catch on. > P.S: I would have appreciated your words if you didn’t call my comment ‘deranged’. I am less inclined to take someone seriously when their evaluation of my words is needlessly rude. Perhaps choose your words and consider if it comes across as an insult. Thanks. Sorry for "deranged" but you said men and women are different species. That's an extremely odd thing to say. > ETA P.S2: In a forum that had an equal or higher split of male: female ratio unlike this testosterone heavy HN, my comment wouldn’t have been flagged. Or called ‘deranged’. There would have been at least some curiosity and a discussion even if there were some who would disagree. Your post would be flagged almost anywhere on the internet. Most online spaces dominated by women would consider your views about trans people to be hate speech (I don't). I agree with you that men and women are not the same. But under the law, we are treated the same. This creates all sorts of conflicts. I don't know how to solve these conflicts, and equality under the law seems indispensible. I think we just have to live with an imperfect arrangement and I would point out that women aren't on the losing end of every conflict.