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This industry dug its own grave with the whole "hazing-as-interview" paradigm. As a senior dev I have zero interest in ever bothering with process again. I'll n
by ramesh31 5y ago
This industry dug its own grave with the whole "hazing-as-interview" paradigm. As a senior dev I have zero interest in ever bothering with process again. I'll never leave my current company at this point. The possibility of making 10-20% more money simply isn't worth it.
- polio 5y agoThe industry is doing just fine. You're assuming everybody else is as reluctant to get hazed as you are.
- ardit33 5y agoNo its not. Even Google has to change its hiring practices and move away with the current system, as it is creating a lot of noise. (i.e. hiring people that are good at leetcode, while great engineers are being left out just because they don't have time to practice stupid/pointless problems). The weird thing is that now you even have small dipsh!t start ups that have even harder/longer interview process and questions than some of the large tech cos, which doesn't make sense. It is a form a cargo cult following that it is detrimental to the whole industry. 1. Google is skiping phone screening for many (more experienced folks, as they found it was low value, and filtering out really good candidates. Yet many startups keep doing them. 2. Google is going towards a team hiring strategy, where specialized skills will be more valued, rather than the current 'generic leetcode' process. 3. I just went through an interview process of an old startup/not yet IPO company, and had to go through 10 stages!! 1. Recruiter screening 2. Phone Screening 3-8. A full round with 6 interviews (6 hrs long). 9. Final manager interview/round 10. Call for references, which a previous manager was a must It was insane, like I was interviewing for a CEO and not just another IC Engineer role. At some point, I started refusing companies that had extremely long processes. They almost are never worth it.
- ramesh31 5y ago>Call for references, which a previous manager was a must I've literally never had references contacted. Where are you located?
- skeeter2020 5y agoI dropped out of the process when a company asked me to get a reference from my current manager... for a job I had not yet left. I responded quizically and they amended it to "we'd make a conditional offer". I said I was uncomfortable leaving a job where I had (as I would hope most do) some guilt about putting them in a challenging position, wanting to keep a strong personal relationship and then saying "Hey, can you be a reference for my new (i.e. better) gig?" They couldn't udnerstand this perspective, so no thanks!
- Centigonal 5y agoThat's extremely bizarre
- ardit33 5y agoOld USA, and this is a famous tech, (YC Seeded, SF Bay Area), company (older, and semi-large, but not public yet). I have had this 'references', but requiring a former manager was a first. The whole process had way more interviewing rounds than Meta and Google did. At least Google decided to skip the phone screen for me.
- doktorhladnjak 5y agoSounds like Stripe. I gave a (peer) reference check for a former colleague. They asked a lot more than title and dates of employment.
- kevinventullo 5y agoI am currently a hiring manager at Google looking for somewhat specialized skill sets, but all the candidates I see are still going through the usual rounds of coding interviews.
- ipaddr 5y agoBy using the process you do you end up with the most money hungry candidates with the specialized skills you require. You end up with more candidates from the bottom half of the resume pile disparate enough to spend hours weekly learning to game these types of interviews.
- jcadam 5y agoI went through a google interview process 10 years ago - only made it a couple rounds in and it did not go well. Started getting recruiter emails from them again recently; either they forgot that I suck, or they're getting desperate. In any case, I only do remote work now, so feh.
- sorry_outta_gas 5y agolol they don't have to do shit they just buy whatever they don't have anyway
- supramouse 5y agois it really?
- ramraj07 5y agoI hate this system as well, but are you absolutely sure it’s only 10-20%? Many of my colleagues who switch jobs often (who are all mediocre at best) make twice as me and I already make happy money. Money isn’t everything, for sure, so if you’re happy here stay here. But let’s not blow things out of proportion. Ranting about an exercise that involves only your brain for 30 minutes that could turn to hundreds of thousands of dollars to gain, sounds like a kid ranting about exams. Do you know other jobs involve physical labor? Have you seen cheerleader tryouts? No one owes anyone any luxury. If a company decides for any stupid reason that they want to keep a hard interview then it’s their prerogative.
- askafriend 5y agoExactly. Someone senior with 6+yrs of exp can easily make $400-600k. So unless you're already making $300k+, it's far more than 10-20%.
- paxys 5y ago"Dug its own grave" how? You make it seem like big tech companies are on their last legs or something.
- m0llusk 5y agoOne potentially interesting place to begin investigating this assertion is with a search using the string "tech companies desperate for talent".
- emerged 5y agoThis is why I tend to hop between jobs with people I know already. You get to skip all the hassle. Since I’m senior enough to have that option, the companies who make you solve stupid puzzles in real-time will simply never attract me. To me it’s also a signal that they are an “insert cog here” style of company which isn’t a fit for me.
- voidfunc 5y agoWhat happens when you're let go due to downsizing or just straight up fired?
- deepfriedrice 5y ago> This industry dug its own grave The industry found a way to retain talent for cheap, a. la "I'll never leave my current company at this point"