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> systemd-or-not is not "every single theoretically possible option" Of course not. It's an arbitrary line, because the line has to be drawn somewhere. > It i

> systemd-or-not is not "every single theoretically possible option" Of course not. It's an arbitrary line, because the line has to be drawn somewhere. > It is a highly contentious and political issue. Most people don't care one way or the other. > If the systemd proponents would have accepted defaulting to no-systemd, then great, no need for the choice; but realistically, both sides are somewhat adamant, so making the user choose is a reasonable compromise IMHO. How is leaking internally-facing political issues into the out-of-the-box experience in any way acceptable?! It's an almost perfect reflection of exactly the reason Joel On Software hates prompting people up-front with configuration options; by refusing to pick a reasonable default, the small number of people who actually care one way or the other are forcing everyone else to deal with their baggage. First-time Debian users completely lack the context to make such a choice, and anyone who does care knows where to look for information on how to switch over a system after it's installed.

einpoklum 5y ago
> Of course not. It's an arbitrary line, because the line has to be drawn somewhere. It's not a "line". Some choices are presented to the user, and some aren't. > Most people don't care one way or the other. If that were the case, then great - no-systemd by default. No, the point is that the _people involved with the distribution_ care. > How is leaking internally-facing political issues into the out-of-the-box experience in any way acceptable?! Either people come to an agreement about a default; or they have a fight and split up; or they let the user decide. ... actually, there could be another option, which is a "mixed strategy", i.e. the installer flips a coin instead of asking the user. That could also be a compromise, which doesn't require bother the user. It has its own detriments though.

einpoklum 5y ago

> Of course not. It's an arbitrary line, because the line has to be drawn somewhere. It's not a "line". Some choices are presented to the user, and some aren't. > Most people don't care one way or the other. If that were the case, then great - no-systemd by default. No, the point is that the _people involved with the distribution_ care. > How is leaking internally-facing political issues into the out-of-the-box experience in any way acceptable?! Either people come to an agreement about a default; or they have a fight and split up; or they let the user decide. ... actually, there could be another option, which is a "mixed strategy", i.e. the installer flips a coin instead of asking the user. That could also be a compromise, which doesn't require bother the user. It has its own detriments though.