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What's an alternative to files that doesn't just have all the same attributes of files anyway? If it involves breaking code into multiple chunks of related func

by woah 5y ago

What's an alternative to files that doesn't just have all the same attributes of files anyway? If it involves breaking code into multiple chunks of related functions, and possibly having these chunks act as namespaces, that sounds like what a file does.

squeaky-clean 5y ago
Maybe it's the editors that need updating. It would be pretty neat to have the chunks of functions / namespaces model as lots of tiny separate files on the disk, but a sort of view-layer so that you can view all the related ones in one virtual file. You could even then have multiple virtual files that include the same raw files. For example in a video game your player, monsters, health potions, and attacks could all have the code for HealthComponent as a part of their virtual file. And updating the HealthComponent would affect the raw file so the virtual files would have the updates automatically. Yeah you can open dozens of editor tabs or always use jump-to-definition, but just being able to scroll around or ctrl+f within a restricted set of limited files would be nice.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  Look up "class browser", in particular "smalltalk class browser" to see examples, current and historic, of editors supporting that kind of approach to navigating codebases.
  - nukst 5y ago
    Something like this https://tibleiz.net/code-browser/ https://tibleiz.net/code-browser/ maybe?
  - squeaky-clean 5y ago
    Maybe I'm looking up the wrong thing but these basically list the classes and method names and hotlink to the code? I mean something that would dump them all into, one contiguous "file" from the editor's perspective. Included components (I don't want to say classes because it could work in a functional language or maybe you just don't include full classes but certain methods) wouldn't have to be coupled to the main class you're editing. Like if you have a decoupled event system you could pull in just the events relevant to the idea you're working on. You could have different views depending on what idea you're working on and save them as their own file. To use the gamedev analogy again you could have MonsterCombat.view MonsterAI.view MonsterAnimations.view which would all expose different subsets of the Monster class and various related methods from other classes/modules.
- jamesfinlayson 5y ago
  I might be remembering wrong but I thought Visual C++ 6 might have had a class browser as an alternative to a file browser. Maybe modern Visual Studio has it too?
  - squeaky-clean 5y ago
    I don't really mean a class browser but something that completely abstracts the underlying code organization and let's you create a sort of meta-file that includes all the related code for various ideas. Like you could have all of the code from class A except the debug related methods, a few methods from class B, just a few functions from a static MathUtils class, so on. Maybe your ClassAUnitTest meta-file could include some of the ugliest methods from the class you're testing but not the entire class.

by woah 5y ago

squeaky-clean 5y ago

Maybe it's the editors that need updating. It would be pretty neat to have the chunks of functions / namespaces model as lots of tiny separate files on the disk, but a sort of view-layer so that you can view all the related ones in one virtual file. You could even then have multiple virtual files that include the same raw files. For example in a video game your player, monsters, health potions, and attacks could all have the code for HealthComponent as a part of their virtual file. And updating the HealthComponent would affect the raw file so the virtual files would have the updates automatically. Yeah you can open dozens of editor tabs or always use jump-to-definition, but just being able to scroll around or ctrl+f within a restricted set of limited files would be nice.

Jtsummers 5y ago
Look up "class browser", in particular "smalltalk class browser" to see examples, current and historic, of editors supporting that kind of approach to navigating codebases.
- nukst 5y ago
  Something like this https://tibleiz.net/code-browser/ https://tibleiz.net/code-browser/ maybe?
- squeaky-clean 5y ago
  Maybe I'm looking up the wrong thing but these basically list the classes and method names and hotlink to the code? I mean something that would dump them all into, one contiguous "file" from the editor's perspective. Included components (I don't want to say classes because it could work in a functional language or maybe you just don't include full classes but certain methods) wouldn't have to be coupled to the main class you're editing. Like if you have a decoupled event system you could pull in just the events relevant to the idea you're working on. You could have different views depending on what idea you're working on and save them as their own file. To use the gamedev analogy again you could have MonsterCombat.view MonsterAI.view MonsterAnimations.view which would all expose different subsets of the Monster class and various related methods from other classes/modules.
jamesfinlayson 5y ago
I might be remembering wrong but I thought Visual C++ 6 might have had a class browser as an alternative to a file browser. Maybe modern Visual Studio has it too?
- squeaky-clean 5y ago
  I don't really mean a class browser but something that completely abstracts the underlying code organization and let's you create a sort of meta-file that includes all the related code for various ideas. Like you could have all of the code from class A except the debug related methods, a few methods from class B, just a few functions from a static MathUtils class, so on. Maybe your ClassAUnitTest meta-file could include some of the ugliest methods from the class you're testing but not the entire class.