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> And we can thank those people for giving us one of the worse outcomes. It takes a lot of hubris to suggest these mitigations did a damn thing. And it takes a

> And we can thank those people for giving us one of the worse outcomes. It takes a lot of hubris to suggest these mitigations did a damn thing. And it takes a lot of mental gymnastics and rationalization to completely ignore their very significant costs to society. We fucked kids, fucked small business owners, fucked hospitals, fucked the poor and working class, enriched the wealthy and old while stealing from the poor and young. Life is too short to obey the orders of a handful of unelected, cherry-picked "experts". None of them could ever say the crap they had us do would work. We still can't say any of it worked in a meaningful way. People flushed two years of their short fucking lives down the toilet to participate in an uncontrolled experiment... naw... I'll opt out, thanks.

giraffe_lady 5y ago
No they are right, you can't opt out. You can only act. And others are free to label your actions selfish, cruel, or evil as they judge them.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  And I can label their actions as selfish too. Expecting society to shut down for years because they are afraid. I could also label people who kept kids out of school as incredibly cruel. Also arrogant and naïve… thinking humans could somehow control or conquer a highly contagious respiratory virus outside of a vaccine. All these NPI’s are nothing more than modern rain dances. Humans tricking themselves into believing they can control Mother Nature… that they even have a right to try…
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > And I can label their actions as selfish too. Expecting society to shut down for years because they are afraid And if you base your labels on BS like your second sentence, people should probably put little stock in your judgement. You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      Oh really? Because that was what was expected by all these “experts”. We were told to focus on Covid spread to the exclusion of literally everything else. And yes, lots of people were afraid. The only reason to support these measures are fear and a blind trust in authority (and a very narrow and cheery picked band of authority, mind you). Every argument for lockdowns and restrictions are ultimately based on one or the other. Dismiss my argument all you want. I’m arguing from good faith. It is very possible to see what happened in the last two years and disagree with every bit of it. The idea everybody was supposed to just fall in line and agree with “the narrative” is wishful thinking. People should disagree and you should listen to them… Maybe you are the one who is wrong.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > The only reason to support these measures are fear and a blind trust in authority... Nope. > Maybe you are the one who is wrong. No, not if you believe the kind of stuff I quoted above.
earleybird 5y ago
Do you also feel life is too short to wash your hands now and then?
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  There is a pretty big difference between washing your hands and having the government shut down your means of earning a living, or not being able to take your kid to a playground for more than a year…
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supramouse 5y ago
It's no joke, I know people in their early-mid thirties ( they were somewhat late bloomers from career growth being stunted from the recession) who decided just to not have kids all together as a result of the lockdown/drama it's kind of sad

giraffe_lady 5y ago

No they are right, you can't opt out. You can only act. And others are free to label your actions selfish, cruel, or evil as they judge them.

spookthesunset 5y ago
And I can label their actions as selfish too. Expecting society to shut down for years because they are afraid. I could also label people who kept kids out of school as incredibly cruel. Also arrogant and naïve… thinking humans could somehow control or conquer a highly contagious respiratory virus outside of a vaccine. All these NPI’s are nothing more than modern rain dances. Humans tricking themselves into believing they can control Mother Nature… that they even have a right to try…
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > And I can label their actions as selfish too. Expecting society to shut down for years because they are afraid And if you base your labels on BS like your second sentence, people should probably put little stock in your judgement. You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Oh really? Because that was what was expected by all these “experts”. We were told to focus on Covid spread to the exclusion of literally everything else. And yes, lots of people were afraid. The only reason to support these measures are fear and a blind trust in authority (and a very narrow and cheery picked band of authority, mind you). Every argument for lockdowns and restrictions are ultimately based on one or the other. Dismiss my argument all you want. I’m arguing from good faith. It is very possible to see what happened in the last two years and disagree with every bit of it. The idea everybody was supposed to just fall in line and agree with “the narrative” is wishful thinking. People should disagree and you should listen to them… Maybe you are the one who is wrong.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > The only reason to support these measures are fear and a blind trust in authority... Nope. > Maybe you are the one who is wrong. No, not if you believe the kind of stuff I quoted above.

earleybird 5y ago

Do you also feel life is too short to wash your hands now and then?

spookthesunset 5y ago
There is a pretty big difference between washing your hands and having the government shut down your means of earning a living, or not being able to take your kid to a playground for more than a year…

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supramouse 5y ago

It's no joke, I know people in their early-mid thirties ( they were somewhat late bloomers from career growth being stunted from the recession) who decided just to not have kids all together as a result of the lockdown/drama it's kind of sad