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It disgusts me to see this downvoted. There isn't anything false about what you said. What we have done to children the last two years is absolutely disgusting.

It disgusts me to see this downvoted. There isn't anything false about what you said. What we have done to children the last two years is absolutely disgusting. The fact so many people seem to cheer it on makes it even worse--especially how so many of the "pro-education" crowd cheers it on too. We fucked kids the last two years and it requires some serious mental gymnastics to rationalize it away.

standardUser 5y ago
"all for a virus that doesn't affect kids barely at all" It's downvoted because the above line is either a willful misrepresentation in service of a political gripe or, less likely, a genuine ignorance that should not be promoted.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  In what way are kids at risk? We have two years of data to show otherwise.
  - standardUser 5y ago
    All initial restrictions were to slow the spread of the virus to prevent overwhelming healthcare systems, not to prevent children from getting ill specifically, as literally everyone knows.
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      That argument holds true only for the first month or so. Once governors started closing unused field hospitals and then extending their stay at home order instead of celebrating Covid not being nearly as bad as predicted… once that happened your argument no longer remains valid. The day those field hospitals closed was the day data left the building entirely… we should have opened everything back up when those field hospitals shut down… we should have celebrated that Covid was not the threat it was originally believed to be.
manuelabeledo 5y ago
> We fucked kids the last two years and it requires some serious mental gymnastics to rationalize it away. How, exactly? Teen mental health has been in decline for decades now. It seems to me that some people just don't want to take responsibility for fucking their own kids up.
- theli0nheart 5y ago
  I'm curious, do you have young kids? If so, I would very much like to know how you parented over the last two years to give your children a perfect experience. I had a 5 year old at home for the past two years, and no matter what you do, you simply can't replicate school as it normally is when schools and daycares are all closed and all you can do is sit your kid in front of a screen all day to get a checkbox for "attendance". And when schools finally did open up, everyone had a wear a mask. So kids aren't even seeing their friends' faces. This isn't good for them, especially when these are formative years for developing these skills. Not a single parent I know hasn't mentioned how horrible the last two years have been for their kids' social skills and mental health.
  - manuelabeledo 5y ago
    > I'm curious, do you have young kids? I do, two to be exact. And they don’t mind masks at all. > Not a single parent I know hasn't mentioned how horrible the last two years have been for their kids' social skills and mental health. I’m getting the sense that this is a parents problem. Children’s brains are objectively more flexible and accepting to changes. And if we were to accept that there might be some mental health issues as a result of pandemic measures, we must also concede that death of close ones is a more radical and permanent cause of those. In other words, kids cannot pick and choose here. They may not benefit from not seeing their friends for a while, but they will most definitely be impacted by a loss in their family circle.
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      Does your assessment include kids who’s family life might be fucked and school is their sanctuary? Or does that not matter because only Covid matters. It takes a hell of a lot of ignorant privilege to argue for closing schools for more than a year.

standardUser 5y ago

"all for a virus that doesn't affect kids barely at all" It's downvoted because the above line is either a willful misrepresentation in service of a political gripe or, less likely, a genuine ignorance that should not be promoted.

spookthesunset 5y ago
In what way are kids at risk? We have two years of data to show otherwise.
- standardUser 5y ago
  All initial restrictions were to slow the spread of the virus to prevent overwhelming healthcare systems, not to prevent children from getting ill specifically, as literally everyone knows.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    That argument holds true only for the first month or so. Once governors started closing unused field hospitals and then extending their stay at home order instead of celebrating Covid not being nearly as bad as predicted… once that happened your argument no longer remains valid. The day those field hospitals closed was the day data left the building entirely… we should have opened everything back up when those field hospitals shut down… we should have celebrated that Covid was not the threat it was originally believed to be.

manuelabeledo 5y ago

> We fucked kids the last two years and it requires some serious mental gymnastics to rationalize it away. How, exactly? Teen mental health has been in decline for decades now. It seems to me that some people just don't want to take responsibility for fucking their own kids up.

theli0nheart 5y ago
I'm curious, do you have young kids? If so, I would very much like to know how you parented over the last two years to give your children a perfect experience. I had a 5 year old at home for the past two years, and no matter what you do, you simply can't replicate school as it normally is when schools and daycares are all closed and all you can do is sit your kid in front of a screen all day to get a checkbox for "attendance". And when schools finally did open up, everyone had a wear a mask. So kids aren't even seeing their friends' faces. This isn't good for them, especially when these are formative years for developing these skills. Not a single parent I know hasn't mentioned how horrible the last two years have been for their kids' social skills and mental health.
- manuelabeledo 5y ago
  > I'm curious, do you have young kids? I do, two to be exact. And they don’t mind masks at all. > Not a single parent I know hasn't mentioned how horrible the last two years have been for their kids' social skills and mental health. I’m getting the sense that this is a parents problem. Children’s brains are objectively more flexible and accepting to changes. And if we were to accept that there might be some mental health issues as a result of pandemic measures, we must also concede that death of close ones is a more radical and permanent cause of those. In other words, kids cannot pick and choose here. They may not benefit from not seeing their friends for a while, but they will most definitely be impacted by a loss in their family circle.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Does your assessment include kids who’s family life might be fucked and school is their sanctuary? Or does that not matter because only Covid matters. It takes a hell of a lot of ignorant privilege to argue for closing schools for more than a year.