This conversation is the perfect example of why it's impossible to have a rational conversation about this topic, even with a demographic (HN) which one could c

This conversation is the perfect example of why it's impossible to have a rational conversation about this topic, even with a demographic (HN) which one could consider "more rational" than others. Even when you point out factually incorrect information you are automatically on the Kremlin's payroll. Honestly, it gets very tiring.