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If only twitter were just a Mastodon instance. There's a way to undo the harm he's already done, but I don't know if he can make that sort of change at this po

If only twitter were just a Mastodon instance. There's a way to undo the harm he's already done, but I don't know if he can make that sort of change at this point.

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smoldesu 5y ago
Twitter tried committing to some decentralization thing with their "BlueSky" project, but it never went anywhere. I think the best solution would have been giving Twitter a read-only RSS interface alongside an ActivityPub implementation, but I'm guessing that solution didn't appeal to investors all that much.
- pfraze 5y ago
  It actually just got funded as its own org this year [1]. It was a community until that happened. 1. https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/2-28-2022-how-it-started https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/2-28-2022-how-it-started
  - riffic 5y ago
    lol, they may have just hired you on, Paul, but the project as a whole is vaporware. It deserves a healthy amount of criticism and skepticism. A community is a generous thing to call a bunch of Discord channels. Twitter Inc could have had a seat at the table with the W3C federated social web peeps but decided to ignore everything and do its own thing. In 2008, Evan Prodromou himself gave us something the cool kids will use anyway (the Fediverse), despite what gets cooked up at bs web <dot> xyz. EDIT: Bluesky is an embodiment of anti-competitive Not-Invented-Here Syndrome. It should be shunned. If you want to develop open protocols, the proper channels would be to play within the friendly confines of a group like the W3C. If you want to know how I really feel, I feel like Bluesky is destined to fail due to its untrustworthy origins (no offense to the people involved, Golda is an amazing person and has been doing her best so far).
    - pfraze 5y ago
      Well, you might be right, but I’m going to do my best with it. My DMs are open on discord and Twitter if you want to chat, now that I am involved.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        I wish you luck with the project, but I have to agree with the other poster; all signs point towards vaporware. If they've just become funded as their own org, that says to me that some Twitter executives were willing to pay beaucoup bucks to put distance between themselves and the team they put together to decentralize their service. No legitimate interest in decentralizing a platform should have this many roadblocks.
naoqj 5y ago
The rest of Mastodon instances would refuse to federate with Twitter, so nothing would change.
- Shared404 5y ago
  But others would pop up to fill that niche. By opening the door, diffusion can take place over time.
- riffic 5y ago
  The operators of Mastodon software are not one hive mind, they make independent decisions whether to federate or not. There are thousands of instances, and it's not fair to say every single operator would block Twitter.
dane-pgp 5y ago
If the interoperability requirements of the EU's Digital Markets Act go far enough, Twitter might end up having to federate with Mastodon at least for users in the EU: https://www.politico.eu/article/eus-digital-markets-act-adopted/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eus-digital-markets-act-adop...

If only twitter were just a Mastodon instance. There's a way to undo the harm he's already done, but I don't know if he can make that sort of change at this point.

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smoldesu 5y ago

Twitter tried committing to some decentralization thing with their "BlueSky" project, but it never went anywhere. I think the best solution would have been giving Twitter a read-only RSS interface alongside an ActivityPub implementation, but I'm guessing that solution didn't appeal to investors all that much.

pfraze 5y ago
It actually just got funded as its own org this year [1]. It was a community until that happened. 1. https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/2-28-2022-how-it-started https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/2-28-2022-how-it-started
- riffic 5y ago
  lol, they may have just hired you on, Paul, but the project as a whole is vaporware. It deserves a healthy amount of criticism and skepticism. A community is a generous thing to call a bunch of Discord channels. Twitter Inc could have had a seat at the table with the W3C federated social web peeps but decided to ignore everything and do its own thing. In 2008, Evan Prodromou himself gave us something the cool kids will use anyway (the Fediverse), despite what gets cooked up at bs web <dot> xyz. EDIT: Bluesky is an embodiment of anti-competitive Not-Invented-Here Syndrome. It should be shunned. If you want to develop open protocols, the proper channels would be to play within the friendly confines of a group like the W3C. If you want to know how I really feel, I feel like Bluesky is destined to fail due to its untrustworthy origins (no offense to the people involved, Golda is an amazing person and has been doing her best so far).
  - pfraze 5y ago
    Well, you might be right, but I’m going to do my best with it. My DMs are open on discord and Twitter if you want to chat, now that I am involved.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      I wish you luck with the project, but I have to agree with the other poster; all signs point towards vaporware. If they've just become funded as their own org, that says to me that some Twitter executives were willing to pay beaucoup bucks to put distance between themselves and the team they put together to decentralize their service. No legitimate interest in decentralizing a platform should have this many roadblocks.

naoqj 5y ago

The rest of Mastodon instances would refuse to federate with Twitter, so nothing would change.

Shared404 5y ago
But others would pop up to fill that niche. By opening the door, diffusion can take place over time.
riffic 5y ago
The operators of Mastodon software are not one hive mind, they make independent decisions whether to federate or not. There are thousands of instances, and it's not fair to say every single operator would block Twitter.

dane-pgp 5y ago

If the interoperability requirements of the EU's Digital Markets Act go far enough, Twitter might end up having to federate with Mastodon at least for users in the EU: https://www.politico.eu/article/eus-digital-markets-act-adopted/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eus-digital-markets-act-adop...