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That would be Diplomacy [0] Worth trying out online for example through webDiplomacy [1]. It's my favourite game. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_

by tmsbrg 5y ago

That would be Diplomacy [0] Worth trying out online for example through webDiplomacy [1]. It's my favourite game. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game) [1] https://webdiplomacy.net/ https://webdiplomacy.net/

zzzzzzzza 5y ago
try dominions 5
- kibwen 5y ago
  There's no point in playing Dominions unless you join one of the online communities of hardcore Dominions players, because as a singleplayer game it's terrible and (unlike Diplomacy) you can't learn the rules in five minutes (or five years), so any casual group will bounce off of its abstruse interface within a handful of turns. Once you get in with some of the hardcore players you will indeed find that it's Diplomacy raised to the tenth power, but you have no hope of ever winning any game unless you're a serious no-lifer.
cjbgkagh 5y ago
I would play this more often but I’m running out of friends.
- aidenn0 5y ago
  Assuming this is a "diplomacy destroys friendships" joke... Games are a place where we can see culture clash in the small. My sister didn't speak to me for days after, having folded to a bluff in poker, she flipped over my hand and called me a cheater. To any poker player, my behavior was fine and she would be way out of line for revealing my cards. On the other hand, I was intentionally misleading a family member for personal gain at their expense, which away from the poker table would be a huge breach of trust
  - cjbgkagh 5y ago
    It’s a short version of I’m running out of friends to play diplomacy with. Not everyone likes realpolitik as much as I do. In poker the adversarial aspect is clearer. In diplomacy you have to develop trust to later exploit it by breaking alliances and traitorously conspiring with enemies in a way that guarantees your former allies loss. The betrayal is more acute in a way that feels more fundamental. Telling them that they were naïve for trusting you and they must do the same if they want to win tends not to go down so well.
    - lupire 5y ago
      My question is it possible to be good at Diplomacy without being a socio opath in real life. In poker, someone being good at bluffing is scary (separately from just being better at the math part), much like someone being better than you at sports is physically intimidating off the field because they could beat you up. Diplomacy even more so than poker, because manipulation and deceipt is the only skill in the game. It doesn't even have the cooperative part of the real world's "build something of value together" -- it's a zero sum or negative sum game.
      - cjbgkagh 5y ago
        It is Kissinger’s favorite game. The people I do play with tend to enjoy the departure from normality. One guy I play with is very loyal in real life but will betray as soon as possible in game - too soon so it is actually sub optimal play but for a different reason (newbies are too trusting and think they can hold alliances into late game). Compartmentalization is needed to keep playing - or be a sociopath. I have ADHD and I feel that my emotional responses are learned rather than entirely natural. I think it makes me an effective lier - but I still don’t like doing it. I do enjoy introducing realpolitik to friends, helping them understand the palpable paranoia of eminent betrayal and how essential it is to maintain strength (the weakest get ganged up in). It’s one thing to read about the mechanics of realpolitik it’s another to emotionally feel them. For a deceptively simple game I’ve had friends stop playing because they found it too intense and damaging to their faith in humanity.
      - 5y ago
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  If you hit me up on my email I would be willing to try.
ekanes 5y ago
What a fantastic game it is. Thanks for that link, maybe I’ll play again.
tempestn 5y ago
Have you played on playdiplomacy.com as well? I've played a few games there, but haven't tried webdiplomacy. Curious how they compare.

by tmsbrg 5y ago

zzzzzzzza 5y ago

try dominions 5

kibwen 5y ago
There's no point in playing Dominions unless you join one of the online communities of hardcore Dominions players, because as a singleplayer game it's terrible and (unlike Diplomacy) you can't learn the rules in five minutes (or five years), so any casual group will bounce off of its abstruse interface within a handful of turns. Once you get in with some of the hardcore players you will indeed find that it's Diplomacy raised to the tenth power, but you have no hope of ever winning any game unless you're a serious no-lifer.

cjbgkagh 5y ago

I would play this more often but I’m running out of friends.

aidenn0 5y ago
Assuming this is a "diplomacy destroys friendships" joke... Games are a place where we can see culture clash in the small. My sister didn't speak to me for days after, having folded to a bluff in poker, she flipped over my hand and called me a cheater. To any poker player, my behavior was fine and she would be way out of line for revealing my cards. On the other hand, I was intentionally misleading a family member for personal gain at their expense, which away from the poker table would be a huge breach of trust
- cjbgkagh 5y ago
  It’s a short version of I’m running out of friends to play diplomacy with. Not everyone likes realpolitik as much as I do. In poker the adversarial aspect is clearer. In diplomacy you have to develop trust to later exploit it by breaking alliances and traitorously conspiring with enemies in a way that guarantees your former allies loss. The betrayal is more acute in a way that feels more fundamental. Telling them that they were naïve for trusting you and they must do the same if they want to win tends not to go down so well.
  - lupire 5y ago
    My question is it possible to be good at Diplomacy without being a socio opath in real life. In poker, someone being good at bluffing is scary (separately from just being better at the math part), much like someone being better than you at sports is physically intimidating off the field because they could beat you up. Diplomacy even more so than poker, because manipulation and deceipt is the only skill in the game. It doesn't even have the cooperative part of the real world's "build something of value together" -- it's a zero sum or negative sum game.
    - cjbgkagh 5y ago
      It is Kissinger’s favorite game. The people I do play with tend to enjoy the departure from normality. One guy I play with is very loyal in real life but will betray as soon as possible in game - too soon so it is actually sub optimal play but for a different reason (newbies are too trusting and think they can hold alliances into late game). Compartmentalization is needed to keep playing - or be a sociopath. I have ADHD and I feel that my emotional responses are learned rather than entirely natural. I think it makes me an effective lier - but I still don’t like doing it. I do enjoy introducing realpolitik to friends, helping them understand the palpable paranoia of eminent betrayal and how essential it is to maintain strength (the weakest get ganged up in). It’s one thing to read about the mechanics of realpolitik it’s another to emotionally feel them. For a deceptively simple game I’ve had friends stop playing because they found it too intense and damaging to their faith in humanity.
    - 5y ago
sudosysgen 5y ago
If you hit me up on my email I would be willing to try.

ekanes 5y ago

What a fantastic game it is. Thanks for that link, maybe I’ll play again.

tempestn 5y ago

Have you played on playdiplomacy.com as well? I've played a few games there, but haven't tried webdiplomacy. Curious how they compare.