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> In fact, in 22 of 250 U.S. metropolitan areas, women under the age of 30 earn the same amount as or more than their male counterparts ... In other words, in

> In fact, in 22 of 250 U.S. metropolitan areas, women under the age of 30 earn the same amount as or more than their male counterparts ... In other words, in 228 of 250 US metropolitan areas, women under the age of 30 earn less than their male counterparts. Why is everybody reacting so weirdly?

ducttapecrown 5y ago
This forum is majority male tech workers and has been weird (aka reactionary to the dismantling of the patriarchy) since I've been reading it in 2016. I don't know what the cause of the weirdness is though.
- jsnodlin 5y ago
- notsureaboutpg 5y ago
- ShamelessC 5y ago
- Banana699 5y ago
  'Patriarchy' is just a dumb conspiracy-theoritic ideological framework for viewing society that starts with "women are victims" and back-propagates that to whatever beliefs and assertions needed to make it true. HN is mostly non-political compared to other Social Media forums in my experience, but if it's skeptic against that dumb conspiracy theory, then that's Good News. >I don't know what the cause of the weirdness is though. Might I suggest that you're reacting favorably to young men earning less and having the deck stacked against them even more and more, calling it the 'dismantling of the patriarchy'? perhaps that is making people a little bit weird?
- BlargMcLarg 5y ago
  >I don't know what the cause of the weirdness is though. Because "dismantling the patriarchy" isn't what is happening to begin with, and the current actions are coming at the cost of young men. Meanwhile, it is questionable whether young women are getting much better from it.* There are many variables compounding on one another which are very difficult to interpret, despite people on both sides of the debate claiming they can. The majority of people are still ruled primarily by a bunch of rich men. The majority of people are women and men. This hasn't changed at all. What has changed is the giant sandwich of men and women between the poorest of the poor and the richest of the rich shuffling around, while they also have a smaller piece of the pie as a whole. *: Yes obviously not being dependent on others is a good thing. However, there is an underlying connotation that women are better off in the workforce than they are doing what they would do as of old. Considering many other social factors at play, there is enough reason to doubt this.
cmdli 5y ago
Because it is evidence of a broader trend, where womens’ and mens’ pay is equalizing for people under 30. This has long been predicted by some given the gap in college attainment. What remains to be seen, and what has people acting weirdly, is whether this trend will stop once pay equalizes or if it will continue farther and result in a pay gap in the other direction.
- klyrs 5y ago
  With an nationwide median pay ratio of 93% in men's favor, that is a weird thing to worry about now, isn't it?
  - cmdli 5y ago
    When that gap is rapidly closing, I don’t think it’s weird to speculate how it will go in the future. We saw something similar with college attainment, where women were being pushed out and are now the majority, which is causing pains with both men and women in college right now. Is it weird to worry about the direction the future is heading? Plenty of problems can be seen before they arrive, so why not start thinking about them sooner?
- kar5pt 5y ago
  It seems like a big assumption to think that trends appearing in a few cities will carry over to the rest of the US.
scarmig 5y ago
Yes, women under the age of 30 earning less than men in the metropolitan areas of Baton Rouge and Tuscaloosa definitely outweighs them earning more in the metropolitan areas of New York City and Los Angeles.
- frob 5y ago
  I'd hardly call the 102% ratio in NYC "more" in this context.
  - scarmig 5y ago
    Fair enough, but the point was more that you've got to weight metropolitan areas by population, and that you can't negate the existence of pay equality in many large metropolitan areas by pointing out the lack of pay equality in a lot of small metropolitan areas in the long tail.
tsol 5y ago
I feel like it's the framing. We all know the background reasoning is for the sake of equality. And yet it's not taking about equal earnings, it's taking about women earning more. This echoes other discussions where it feels as though the goal is not so much to achieve equality, as it is to reverse the trend and put women in a dominant position. And of course most people deny this is happening so it makes some people feel weird to see this obvious nonegalitarianism
- frob 5y ago
  In NYC, young women earn 102% of what young men do. While that is technically more, I would count it as equal.
gurjeet 5y ago
Because the title uses the word "several". Had it been replaced with "a few", the reaction would be consistent with what the reader would feel after reading the full article, and the statistics. original > Young women earn more than young men in several U.S. cities vs. alt. 1 > Young women earn more than young men in a few U.S. cities or alt. 2 > Young women earn more than young men in some U.S. cities

ducttapecrown 5y ago

This forum is majority male tech workers and has been weird (aka reactionary to the dismantling of the patriarchy) since I've been reading it in 2016. I don't know what the cause of the weirdness is though.

jsnodlin 5y ago
notsureaboutpg 5y ago
ShamelessC 5y ago
Banana699 5y ago
'Patriarchy' is just a dumb conspiracy-theoritic ideological framework for viewing society that starts with "women are victims" and back-propagates that to whatever beliefs and assertions needed to make it true. HN is mostly non-political compared to other Social Media forums in my experience, but if it's skeptic against that dumb conspiracy theory, then that's Good News. >I don't know what the cause of the weirdness is though. Might I suggest that you're reacting favorably to young men earning less and having the deck stacked against them even more and more, calling it the 'dismantling of the patriarchy'? perhaps that is making people a little bit weird?
BlargMcLarg 5y ago
>I don't know what the cause of the weirdness is though. Because "dismantling the patriarchy" isn't what is happening to begin with, and the current actions are coming at the cost of young men. Meanwhile, it is questionable whether young women are getting much better from it.* There are many variables compounding on one another which are very difficult to interpret, despite people on both sides of the debate claiming they can. The majority of people are still ruled primarily by a bunch of rich men. The majority of people are women and men. This hasn't changed at all. What has changed is the giant sandwich of men and women between the poorest of the poor and the richest of the rich shuffling around, while they also have a smaller piece of the pie as a whole. *: Yes obviously not being dependent on others is a good thing. However, there is an underlying connotation that women are better off in the workforce than they are doing what they would do as of old. Considering many other social factors at play, there is enough reason to doubt this.

cmdli 5y ago

Because it is evidence of a broader trend, where womens’ and mens’ pay is equalizing for people under 30. This has long been predicted by some given the gap in college attainment. What remains to be seen, and what has people acting weirdly, is whether this trend will stop once pay equalizes or if it will continue farther and result in a pay gap in the other direction.

klyrs 5y ago
With an nationwide median pay ratio of 93% in men's favor, that is a weird thing to worry about now, isn't it?
- cmdli 5y ago
  When that gap is rapidly closing, I don’t think it’s weird to speculate how it will go in the future. We saw something similar with college attainment, where women were being pushed out and are now the majority, which is causing pains with both men and women in college right now. Is it weird to worry about the direction the future is heading? Plenty of problems can be seen before they arrive, so why not start thinking about them sooner?
kar5pt 5y ago
It seems like a big assumption to think that trends appearing in a few cities will carry over to the rest of the US.

scarmig 5y ago

Yes, women under the age of 30 earning less than men in the metropolitan areas of Baton Rouge and Tuscaloosa definitely outweighs them earning more in the metropolitan areas of New York City and Los Angeles.

frob 5y ago
I'd hardly call the 102% ratio in NYC "more" in this context.
- scarmig 5y ago
  Fair enough, but the point was more that you've got to weight metropolitan areas by population, and that you can't negate the existence of pay equality in many large metropolitan areas by pointing out the lack of pay equality in a lot of small metropolitan areas in the long tail.

tsol 5y ago

I feel like it's the framing. We all know the background reasoning is for the sake of equality. And yet it's not taking about equal earnings, it's taking about women earning more. This echoes other discussions where it feels as though the goal is not so much to achieve equality, as it is to reverse the trend and put women in a dominant position. And of course most people deny this is happening so it makes some people feel weird to see this obvious nonegalitarianism

frob 5y ago
In NYC, young women earn 102% of what young men do. While that is technically more, I would count it as equal.

gurjeet 5y ago

Because the title uses the word "several". Had it been replaced with "a few", the reaction would be consistent with what the reader would feel after reading the full article, and the statistics. original > Young women earn more than young men in several U.S. cities vs. alt. 1 > Young women earn more than young men in a few U.S. cities or alt. 2 > Young women earn more than young men in some U.S. cities