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I feel like if I showed this comment to your therapist, they'd detain you and try to get you some help. Please do not write things like this where other people

I feel like if I showed this comment to your therapist, they'd detain you and try to get you some help. Please do not write things like this where other people can see. It's shocking.

archhn 5y ago
Detain me for dissent? What is so shocking about my comment? Look at the suicide rates. It's highest for middle aged white men. What's going on? And why are you so hostile to dissenting opinions? Edit: my account seems to have been locked and I can't reply to posts here. My original comment contained some harsh truths about gender, which runs contrary to the present groupthink. I'm leaving hacker news for good. The last thing I'll say is that if you keep censoring dissenting opinions, you'll end up in a delusional echo chamber. This will take you further and further away from reality until you are completely unadapted to the world as it is and become completely impotent in your attempts to navigate it. Those who oppose you do you a huge service by doing so. If you crush your opposition, you'll also destroy yourself.
- ecf 5y ago
  Unfortunately this is hacker news where even upvoted comments are flagged and removed if they go against the hive mind.
  - Freestyler_3 5y ago
    Turning more into reddit.
globular-toast 5y ago
The prevailing theory for the past couple of decades at least is the world has been built for and generally favours men. But when someone suggests the exact same theory to explain why women are doing better you say they should be detained for mental illness?
- goto11 5y ago
  Maybe it is the assertion that "They [women] don't care about history or the future. They just want to look good and get complements." which have people worry about the posters mental health? This is far beyond just saying society favors women. To be fair, I don't think the quote necessarily implies mental issues. It could also just be a person which had very limited interaction with women or people in general.
  - globular-toast 5y ago
    He said many women he knows follow this pattern. Also, George Orwell did observe this too, it's the bit of Nineteen Eighty-Four that people forget.
  - lobocinza 5y ago
    Isn't it true? You can say more or less the same for most men. "They just want to look strong and get toys".
coolso 5y ago
I assumed his post must’ve been genuinely awful, based on how dramatic your response is, but it’s been flagged so I can’t see it. I did see a quote below from it which makes it seem pretty harmless and now my gut is that your post is probably more “shocking” than his was… What’s with the current trend amongst certain members of society of using such extremely dramatic words to describe things that… aren’t actually that bad? It feels like a tabloid or something. “Shocking. Horrific. Abhorrent. Reprehensible.” (Like, unless you’ve been on the internet for a day, you really actually thought it was “shocking”?) I’m seeing this everywhere now and it’s kind of annoying. It’s like you don’t have much of an argument, and you realize they probably have a point, but you want to silence the opposition, so you downvote, flag, and then write something super melodramatic as an attempt to scare others away from daring to have a similar opinion. Pro-tip: you are likely reinforcing and bringing more people to the cause you so histrionically oppose.
- adenozine 5y ago
  It included the phrase "Women only want to look good and receive complements" if that gives you enough context? You've made a lot of assumptions and I suppose it's a waste of effort even responding to someone so vehemently convinced of my position despite having not heard anything from me. People have been shunned for thousands of years. It works. It's a functional and pragmatic tool for societal management. I don't have to take time and explain to someone why women are worthy of respect and of being treated in more than just one dimension, I can just choose to ridicule and exclude people who think that. It's far more efficient, and far more effective in cluing those people in to the civilized world. These people need help from somebody, but I'm not here to help them, I'm here to read and to discuss. If you saw someone acting antisocial at a bus stop, you'd feel bad. I would too. We'd both probably want for this person to receive help and attention, and to be given resources, like a therapist or psychiatrist. That being said, I'm just there to get on the bus, I'm not this person's keeper and it's in my best interest to not interact with this person to any extent beyond what's necessary, as they may be dangerous in some way. I treat people with these toxic opinions the same way. I truly do feel empathy that someone feels that women are objects or that one dimensional creatures. It sucks, and it makes that person both difficult to deal with and it probably makes their own life quite difficult as well. Still, they are reprehensible. They are shocking. They are horrific. It hurts, because it's supposed to. It keeps society greased up and functioning that these people hurt themselves, so that they might seek help for themselves, lest they stay the same and attract support to their cause. Histrionic. That's rich, coming from a reply to a reply of a stranger on the internet.
lobocinza 5y ago
Your hypersensitivity is shocking. Are you sure you're not projecting your own personal issues? Just to be clear for those seeing the flagged notice, the author wasn't violent or promoted hate against a gender.

I feel like if I showed this comment to your therapist, they'd detain you and try to get you some help. Please do not write things like this where other people can see. It's shocking.

archhn 5y ago

Detain me for dissent? What is so shocking about my comment? Look at the suicide rates. It's highest for middle aged white men. What's going on? And why are you so hostile to dissenting opinions? Edit: my account seems to have been locked and I can't reply to posts here. My original comment contained some harsh truths about gender, which runs contrary to the present groupthink. I'm leaving hacker news for good. The last thing I'll say is that if you keep censoring dissenting opinions, you'll end up in a delusional echo chamber. This will take you further and further away from reality until you are completely unadapted to the world as it is and become completely impotent in your attempts to navigate it. Those who oppose you do you a huge service by doing so. If you crush your opposition, you'll also destroy yourself.

ecf 5y ago
Unfortunately this is hacker news where even upvoted comments are flagged and removed if they go against the hive mind.
- Freestyler_3 5y ago
  Turning more into reddit.

globular-toast 5y ago

The prevailing theory for the past couple of decades at least is the world has been built for and generally favours men. But when someone suggests the exact same theory to explain why women are doing better you say they should be detained for mental illness?

goto11 5y ago
Maybe it is the assertion that "They [women] don't care about history or the future. They just want to look good and get complements." which have people worry about the posters mental health? This is far beyond just saying society favors women. To be fair, I don't think the quote necessarily implies mental issues. It could also just be a person which had very limited interaction with women or people in general.
- globular-toast 5y ago
  He said many women he knows follow this pattern. Also, George Orwell did observe this too, it's the bit of Nineteen Eighty-Four that people forget.
- lobocinza 5y ago
  Isn't it true? You can say more or less the same for most men. "They just want to look strong and get toys".

coolso 5y ago

I assumed his post must’ve been genuinely awful, based on how dramatic your response is, but it’s been flagged so I can’t see it. I did see a quote below from it which makes it seem pretty harmless and now my gut is that your post is probably more “shocking” than his was… What’s with the current trend amongst certain members of society of using such extremely dramatic words to describe things that… aren’t actually that bad? It feels like a tabloid or something. “Shocking. Horrific. Abhorrent. Reprehensible.” (Like, unless you’ve been on the internet for a day, you really actually thought it was “shocking”?) I’m seeing this everywhere now and it’s kind of annoying. It’s like you don’t have much of an argument, and you realize they probably have a point, but you want to silence the opposition, so you downvote, flag, and then write something super melodramatic as an attempt to scare others away from daring to have a similar opinion. Pro-tip: you are likely reinforcing and bringing more people to the cause you so histrionically oppose.

adenozine 5y ago
It included the phrase "Women only want to look good and receive complements" if that gives you enough context? You've made a lot of assumptions and I suppose it's a waste of effort even responding to someone so vehemently convinced of my position despite having not heard anything from me. People have been shunned for thousands of years. It works. It's a functional and pragmatic tool for societal management. I don't have to take time and explain to someone why women are worthy of respect and of being treated in more than just one dimension, I can just choose to ridicule and exclude people who think that. It's far more efficient, and far more effective in cluing those people in to the civilized world. These people need help from somebody, but I'm not here to help them, I'm here to read and to discuss. If you saw someone acting antisocial at a bus stop, you'd feel bad. I would too. We'd both probably want for this person to receive help and attention, and to be given resources, like a therapist or psychiatrist. That being said, I'm just there to get on the bus, I'm not this person's keeper and it's in my best interest to not interact with this person to any extent beyond what's necessary, as they may be dangerous in some way. I treat people with these toxic opinions the same way. I truly do feel empathy that someone feels that women are objects or that one dimensional creatures. It sucks, and it makes that person both difficult to deal with and it probably makes their own life quite difficult as well. Still, they are reprehensible. They are shocking. They are horrific. It hurts, because it's supposed to. It keeps society greased up and functioning that these people hurt themselves, so that they might seek help for themselves, lest they stay the same and attract support to their cause. Histrionic. That's rich, coming from a reply to a reply of a stranger on the internet.

lobocinza 5y ago

Your hypersensitivity is shocking. Are you sure you're not projecting your own personal issues? Just to be clear for those seeing the flagged notice, the author wasn't violent or promoted hate against a gender.