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> if Russia was 'Nazi Germany' they'd be building forced-labor concentration camps all across Ukraine, as Nazi Germany did in Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/w

by ajuc 5y ago

> if Russia was 'Nazi Germany' they'd be building forced-labor concentration camps all across Ukraine, as Nazi Germany did in Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag This system of forced labor concentration camps was active in USSR till 1987. > The tentative consensus in contemporary Soviet historiography is that roughly 1,600,000[b] died due to detention in the camps That's on top of outright mass killings and ethnic (yes - ethnic) cleansings done by USSR. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor You can argue nazis killed more people, but it's the same order of magnitude (millions). Nobody was held responsible for these crimes against humanity. There was no Nuremberg trials for soviet mass murderers and torturers. These people often worked for NKVD/KGB and remained in power after it turned into FSB (which Putin was a member of). These people (or their subordinates) are still ruling Russia. So there's no wonder they are still doing ethnic cleansings, mass murders and terror. I stand by my opinion - Russia is a nazi germany with nukes.

eveningcoffee 5y ago
No, Nazis did not kill more people. Actually they killed considerably less because they had less time to do it. Winning WWII allowed to start actual repressions against occupied nations.
- ajuc 5y ago
  I've seen estimates by pretty objective (certainly not pro-Russian) historians like Timothy Snyder that were re-evaluated recently and they've shown that nazis did kill more people. Not by much though.
  - reitanqild 5y ago
    Did that include Holodomor, pogroms etc?
    - ajuc 5y ago
      Yes, partially. For example there were many pogroms, some inspired by Russia some by Germany, many were "grassroots".
blub 5y ago
In which former Soviet country were the rulers which were responsible for atrocities between ‘45-‘89 held responsible? Even the Nazis in Germany weren’t systematically purged - some had valuable information/skills and were given amnesty by the allies, others got even political functions in West Germany. Soviet brutality is a fact, but suddenly bringing this up in 2022 when everybody’s obviously not bothered by it that much any more and drawing a parallel with Nazi Germany is bizarre to say the least. I think you must have realized yourself that the comparison was far fetched and you’re fishing for anything which would make it seem at least halfway logical.
- ajuc 5y ago
  > drawing a parallel with Nazi Germany is bizarre to say the least Russia literally invaded Ukraine and mass murdered civilians in occupied cities. Putin made a speech in which he said Ukraine is a "fake nation" and that "Ukrainian question must be solved". There were lists of people to be eliminated prepared before the invasion. Thousands of Ukrainians from occupied cities were moved to Russia against their will. It's not clear what happened to them. Russians have pseudomilitary training for kids and population is wearing stylized Z symbols to show their support for the "operation". Calling the "operation" a war is an offence for which people go to jail. So is criticizing the Russian army. And you're saying it's "bizzare" to compare this to nazi Germany? What do you want - a signed letter from Putin admitting it? If Russia wasn't behaving like USSR in its totalitarian period I wouldn't be reminding people of these examples. But it is.
chrisco255 5y ago
Nazi Germany would not have hesitated to use nukes. Russia is not indiscriminately committing genocide. They are engaging in warfare. Quite distinct, but we do the exact same thing in the U.S. and the West. What country has killed the most people with bombs, tanks, etc, in the past 40 years?
- trasz 5y ago
  Russia is absolutely committing genocide. As well as mass rape and pillaging.

by ajuc 5y ago

eveningcoffee 5y ago

No, Nazis did not kill more people. Actually they killed considerably less because they had less time to do it. Winning WWII allowed to start actual repressions against occupied nations.

ajuc 5y ago
I've seen estimates by pretty objective (certainly not pro-Russian) historians like Timothy Snyder that were re-evaluated recently and they've shown that nazis did kill more people. Not by much though.
- reitanqild 5y ago
  Did that include Holodomor, pogroms etc?
  - ajuc 5y ago
    Yes, partially. For example there were many pogroms, some inspired by Russia some by Germany, many were "grassroots".

blub 5y ago

In which former Soviet country were the rulers which were responsible for atrocities between ‘45-‘89 held responsible? Even the Nazis in Germany weren’t systematically purged - some had valuable information/skills and were given amnesty by the allies, others got even political functions in West Germany. Soviet brutality is a fact, but suddenly bringing this up in 2022 when everybody’s obviously not bothered by it that much any more and drawing a parallel with Nazi Germany is bizarre to say the least. I think you must have realized yourself that the comparison was far fetched and you’re fishing for anything which would make it seem at least halfway logical.

ajuc 5y ago
> drawing a parallel with Nazi Germany is bizarre to say the least Russia literally invaded Ukraine and mass murdered civilians in occupied cities. Putin made a speech in which he said Ukraine is a "fake nation" and that "Ukrainian question must be solved". There were lists of people to be eliminated prepared before the invasion. Thousands of Ukrainians from occupied cities were moved to Russia against their will. It's not clear what happened to them. Russians have pseudomilitary training for kids and population is wearing stylized Z symbols to show their support for the "operation". Calling the "operation" a war is an offence for which people go to jail. So is criticizing the Russian army. And you're saying it's "bizzare" to compare this to nazi Germany? What do you want - a signed letter from Putin admitting it? If Russia wasn't behaving like USSR in its totalitarian period I wouldn't be reminding people of these examples. But it is.

chrisco255 5y ago

Nazi Germany would not have hesitated to use nukes. Russia is not indiscriminately committing genocide. They are engaging in warfare. Quite distinct, but we do the exact same thing in the U.S. and the West. What country has killed the most people with bombs, tanks, etc, in the past 40 years?

trasz 5y ago
Russia is absolutely committing genocide. As well as mass rape and pillaging.