4 ms·

Countries with skeletons in their closets trying to play global policeman open themselves up to the charge of hypocrisy. A uniform standard of justice is a key

Countries with skeletons in their closets trying to play global policeman open themselves up to the charge of hypocrisy. A uniform standard of justice is a key requirement of any legal system of accountability, in my opinion. Pointing out hypocrisy could be called 'whataboutism' I suppose, but what about hypocrisy? Isn't hypocrisy - backing murderers here, opposing murderers there, justifying that support entirely on some vague notion of 'national interests' - something of a problem?

mlyle 5y ago
> Countries with skeletons in their closets So just about any country... given that nations themselves are mostly-immoral geopolitical entities. > trying to play global policeman open themselves up to the charge of hypocrisy. Perhaps. But massive outrage at atrocities can't be blunted with "eh, your country didn't care about it elsewhere." Your first comment is very strange. Russia seems to be following the expansionist genocide playbook. But they can't be compared to Nazi Germany because, uh, they've not managed to secure too much of the Ukrainian population yet, and there's not ironclad evidence of mass incarceration of Ukrainians yet?
ajuc 5y ago
> Countries with skeletons in their closets trying to play global policeman open themselves up to the charge of hypocrisy. Every country has skeletons in its closet. Should we then just ignore crimes against humanity? > Isn't hypocrisy - backing murderers here, opposing murderers there, justifying that support entirely on some vague notion of 'national interests' - something of a problem? Nope, hypocrisy by itself isn't a problem. To understand why consider a criminal that once thought stealing is ok, then got caught, was in prison for his sentence, repented, and now thinks that stealing isn't ok. Can he complain to authorities that his neighbor was robbed? You are saying he shouldn't. It's not only absurd - it's also morally repulsive. The only reason you could think avoiding hypocrisy justifies ignoring crimes against humanity is if you're trying to defend the murderers.
moistly 5y ago
Oh no, not hypocrisy! Not when children are being raped! How terrible! First, we must not be hypocritical and only then can we oppose child rape and murder!!eleventyone! Dude. Just don’t.
arcticbull 5y ago
> Countries with skeletons in their closets trying to play global policeman open themselves up to the charge of hypocrisy. I recommend cracking a history book. That's literally every country. > A uniform standard of justice is a key requirement of any legal system of accountability, in my opinion. Pointing out hypocrisy could be called 'whataboutism' I suppose, but what about hypocrisy? Isn't hypocrisy - backing murderers here, opposing murderers there, justifying that support entirely on some vague notion of 'national interests' - something of a problem? I couldn't care less about your hypocrisy charges. If something is bad it should be stopped. Doesn't matter who. Doesn't matter by who. You can get your high-minded moralizations on once the dust settles. Moralizations are for the living - a champagne problem if you will.
reitanqild 5y ago
If anything Russias invasions of Ukraine has put US actions in the last 20 years in a significantly better light.

mlyle 5y ago

> Countries with skeletons in their closets So just about any country... given that nations themselves are mostly-immoral geopolitical entities. > trying to play global policeman open themselves up to the charge of hypocrisy. Perhaps. But massive outrage at atrocities can't be blunted with "eh, your country didn't care about it elsewhere." Your first comment is very strange. Russia seems to be following the expansionist genocide playbook. But they can't be compared to Nazi Germany because, uh, they've not managed to secure too much of the Ukrainian population yet, and there's not ironclad evidence of mass incarceration of Ukrainians yet?

ajuc 5y ago

> Countries with skeletons in their closets trying to play global policeman open themselves up to the charge of hypocrisy. Every country has skeletons in its closet. Should we then just ignore crimes against humanity? > Isn't hypocrisy - backing murderers here, opposing murderers there, justifying that support entirely on some vague notion of 'national interests' - something of a problem? Nope, hypocrisy by itself isn't a problem. To understand why consider a criminal that once thought stealing is ok, then got caught, was in prison for his sentence, repented, and now thinks that stealing isn't ok. Can he complain to authorities that his neighbor was robbed? You are saying he shouldn't. It's not only absurd - it's also morally repulsive. The only reason you could think avoiding hypocrisy justifies ignoring crimes against humanity is if you're trying to defend the murderers.

moistly 5y ago

Oh no, not hypocrisy! Not when children are being raped! How terrible! First, we must not be hypocritical and only then can we oppose child rape and murder!!eleventyone! Dude. Just don’t.

arcticbull 5y ago

> Countries with skeletons in their closets trying to play global policeman open themselves up to the charge of hypocrisy. I recommend cracking a history book. That's literally every country. > A uniform standard of justice is a key requirement of any legal system of accountability, in my opinion. Pointing out hypocrisy could be called 'whataboutism' I suppose, but what about hypocrisy? Isn't hypocrisy - backing murderers here, opposing murderers there, justifying that support entirely on some vague notion of 'national interests' - something of a problem? I couldn't care less about your hypocrisy charges. If something is bad it should be stopped. Doesn't matter who. Doesn't matter by who. You can get your high-minded moralizations on once the dust settles. Moralizations are for the living - a champagne problem if you will.

reitanqild 5y ago

If anything Russias invasions of Ukraine has put US actions in the last 20 years in a significantly better light.