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At this point, anyone doing business with Russia becomes complicit in their crimes
by kofejnik 5y ago
At this point, anyone doing business with Russia becomes complicit in their crimes
- aaomidi 5y agoRight but we're beyond that point since those companies also do business in the US. At the end of the day we need to accept that this is just how superpowers act. They go in, kill millions, and nothing ever changes.
- gruez 5y agoIncluding all the western european countries still buying gas from russia?
- KuiN 5y agoYes, obviously.
- kofejnik 5y agoyes, them in the first place, they are financing this horrible war
- vlod 5y agoHopefully others will follow: "Lithuania cuts off Russian gas imports, urges EU to do same" https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/lithuania-cuts-off-russian-gas-imports-urges-eu-83844366 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/lithuania-cuts-off...
- arcticbull 5y agoDefinitely 100%.
- rdtwo 5y agoChina too?
- eveningcoffee 5y agoYes
- arcticbull 5y agoEspecially China.
- belter 5y ago"Over 450 Companies Have Withdrawn from Russia – But Some Remain" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30812718 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30812718
- manofmanysmiles 5y agoDo you feel complicity in every death caused by people acting for "your government"?
- arcticbull 5y agoI don't really understand this 'I vote for them and they're accountable to me, but I'm not responsible - regardless of whether the ones I voted for got in or not' narrative. Your government does something bad, then you should push back against it, or you are to an extent complicit and you should understand if other countries don't trade with you as a result. We don't owe our geopolitical enemies trade. Nobody owes anyone trade.
- giraffe_lady 5y agoYes. Do you not?
- manofmanysmiles 5y agoI do not. However, my conscience is not clear. I'd like to see a more peaceful world. But I am not, and cannot possibly be responsible for the actions of any other man or woman. I never asked anyone to go kill anyone else. However, I am not doing everything in my power to stop people from doing so. So there is some conflict here.
- giraffe_lady 5y agoYeah I get it, and I think this is the most common way of thinking about it. Here's where I ended up though: I was taught that the government acts on behalf of its citizens in the interests of its citizens. I largely don't think that's true, but if it is to any extent, then to that same extent we are culpable for its actions. If not then we're knowingly casting away our responsibility, essentially the bystander effect on a grand scale. If it's not true at all and the government doesn't act on my behalf or for my benefit, then there is a coercive, violent force acting in my name without my consent. Either way, whether or not I am responsible, I must oppose its violence.
- pxmpxm 5y agoAsinine line of argument is asinine. Quips like these would find themselves more at home on twitter rather than HN.