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> And mysteriously your only argument is a talking point about how his removal wasn't democratic It's written on the Wiki page you linked. Don't you think it w
by klibertp 5y ago
> And mysteriously your only argument is a talking point about how his removal wasn't democratic
It's written on the Wiki page you linked. Don't you think it would be better if it wasn't written there? Don't you think you'd have an easier time afterwards if there were no doubts about constitutionality?
Can't you just say that "yes, it would have been easier to counter Russian propaganda if there were no doubts like this, but we had no other choice" and move on? Or, if you believe that doing things in a way that cast doubts on the constitutionality of the process was not a mistake and helped you, can't you explain to me how did it help you or your cause?
Yeah, it's a "talking point" for Russia. You gave them that talking point on a silver platter. In my opinion, you've made a strategic mistake at the time. That's all. I'm not talking about anything before or after that point. I'm not judging, I'm not supporting, and I'm not condemning. I'm trying to give you an impartial perspective on the specific point in time, based on the description you yourself linked.
I see that you're not interested in such a perspective. You want unconditional support and praises for everything you did. However, I'm not interested in that. Being on the same side - having a common enemy in Russia - doesn't mean we have to agree with everything you did and how you did it. You will have my support because Russia is a threat to me, too. To get my sympathy, however, you'll need to be able to rationally talk about the less glorious events in history and in recent memory, too. Assuming that just because I criticize some development it must mean that I'm on Moscow's payroll is honestly insulting, and doesn't help any.
- XorNot 5y agoMate if you think I'm Ukranian then I'm shocked you're able to function in normal society for the amount of social awareness you have.
- klibertp 5y agoI assumed you're Ukrainian and you're involved in or supporting the protesters of Euromaidan. I ignored your insults because I assumed your emotions run high due to your fellow citizens being killed and your cities being shelled and bombed into smoldering ruins. If you're not, then you're just a mindless troll, and HN guidelines say that I shouldn't assume the latter. I feel bad for trying to have a rational conversation with you.
- ailef 5y agoThis conversation is the perfect example of why it's impossible to have a rational conversation about this topic, even with a demographic (HN) which one could consider "more rational" than others. Even when you point out factually incorrect information you are automatically on the Kremlin's payroll. Honestly, it gets very tiring.