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On the other hand, I find Firefox 's behavior annoying as well. On one of my Firefox installations, when I start it, it always asks me to become the default br

by Eduard 5y ago

On the other hand, I find Firefox 's behavior annoying as well. On one of my Firefox installations, when I start it, it always asks me to become the default browser. Which I don't want, so I set the "don't ask me again" checkbox. Yet it will ask me again. The Firefox support forum mentions several workarounds, none of them working. Also, there are additional random /modals every once in a startup, asking me to try out new design feature X. I'm never interested, I just want to use a web browser. All in all, I'm more annoyed by Firefox than other browsers.

mstipetic 5y ago
You’re more annoyed by ff than Edge embedding a buy now pay later feature?
- alan-hn 5y ago
  Different smells, same fecal matter
  - mmastrac 5y ago
    Not even in the same ballpark, sorry.
    - Spivak 5y ago
      Why? They’re both nagware using the same patterns to get users to make them the default browser. The only difference is that MS can put the notifications in the OS and Google can put the notifications on Search. Same game, Firefox is just in the minor leagues because they don’t have valuable digital real estate in addition to the browser.
  - brynjolf 5y ago
    The year is 2022 and everything is now equal. The human race has decided to never use nuance again. Worlds biggest corporations trying to stop you from installing a free community built browser is the same as it asking you nicely once to become the default
    - Spivak 5y ago
      Chrome isn’t hawking a news platform on the new tab page with sponsored links, pushing you towards a co-branded VPN, or showing ads for random media properties. Good lord Firefox has fallen from grace in search of revenue. I still use it as my daily driver but they’re killing the golden calf in an attempt to save it.
      - mstipetic 5y ago
        What do you suggest they do in search of revenue? Are you donating to FF?
        Spivak 5y ago
        Yes. But I’m not delusional that my contribution matters. They should search for revenue like all community projects. Get companies that have a stake in FF existing because they distribute it — Canonical, Red Hat, AWS, Oracle to put up cash and pay developers to work on it. The only FOSS models that have a track record of success are: * Run ads which is really shady. * Be a true community project and be developed by the people who use it. * Be open core and sell proprietary features. * Sell consulting and documentation.
    - Johanx64 5y ago
      Firefox of all things, isn't a "free community built browser". That's just so out of touch. And they have been acting very scummy for at least a decade, at least. And there we go on talking about nuance...
- tssva 5y ago
  I use Edge and although I have heard of the feature it has never been presented to me. Firefox on the other hand prompts me for unwanted Mozilla offerings and puts Disney ads in the browser.
matthewmacleod 5y ago
In fairness though, that first behaviour you've described sounds like a straight-up bug. I very much doubt that anybody at Firefox HQ intends this to be the case. I get that bugs can be annoying, but "my browser has an annoying bug" is a million miles away from "my browser monitors when I search for competitor's software and warns me that I shouldn't use it".
petepete 5y ago
Yeah. I love Firefox but I wish they'd stop trying to make me use Pocket or their VPN.
- uhuhoo 5y ago
  Yup. Sometimes it looks like they are trying to intentionally sabotage an otherwise great product. The regressions in UX are infuriating. Still, it is the only non-WebKit option out there, so there's that. And they at least claim to care abour user's privacy.
- 0des 5y ago
  I've got a theory google owns pocket and just does it to make us look stupid for using Firefox with some random trash bolted on. Also remember Firefox hello or whatever messenger was once bolted on?
  - manquer 5y ago
    Mozilla acquired pocket in 2017. Probably one of the reasons they push it heavily. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/mozilla-acquires-pocket/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/mozilla-acquires-po...
    - 0des 5y ago
      Ah OK, Mozilla owns pocket essentially.
      - 0des 5y ago
        Ffs I meant to say google
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  Or putting "suggested links" on my new tab page, and adding news. I really don't care what kim kardashian had for dinner. Sure, it can be turned off but it seems like every few weeks I have to go hunting around to turn some new spammy shit off. And even though I sync my settings through firefox sync, these adware 'features' don't seem to sync their settings when I turn them off.
y-c-o-m-b 5y ago
Sounds like this is unique to you and your system? I've been using Firefox for casual browsing for years and I experience none of these issues. As in I don't even know what you're referring to honestly because I've never seen such things in all these years of having it. Chrome is set as my default browser btw. The only "pop-up" - if you can call it that - I ever get is the one telling me a new version of FF is available for download.
- MerelyMortal 5y ago
  FWIW: I also have this bug on one of my installations.

by Eduard 5y ago

mstipetic 5y ago

You’re more annoyed by ff than Edge embedding a buy now pay later feature?

alan-hn 5y ago
Different smells, same fecal matter
- mmastrac 5y ago
  Not even in the same ballpark, sorry.
  - Spivak 5y ago
    Why? They’re both nagware using the same patterns to get users to make them the default browser. The only difference is that MS can put the notifications in the OS and Google can put the notifications on Search. Same game, Firefox is just in the minor leagues because they don’t have valuable digital real estate in addition to the browser.
- brynjolf 5y ago
  The year is 2022 and everything is now equal. The human race has decided to never use nuance again. Worlds biggest corporations trying to stop you from installing a free community built browser is the same as it asking you nicely once to become the default
  - Spivak 5y ago
    Chrome isn’t hawking a news platform on the new tab page with sponsored links, pushing you towards a co-branded VPN, or showing ads for random media properties. Good lord Firefox has fallen from grace in search of revenue. I still use it as my daily driver but they’re killing the golden calf in an attempt to save it.
    - mstipetic 5y ago
      What do you suggest they do in search of revenue? Are you donating to FF?
      - Spivak 5y ago
        Yes. But I’m not delusional that my contribution matters. They should search for revenue like all community projects. Get companies that have a stake in FF existing because they distribute it — Canonical, Red Hat, AWS, Oracle to put up cash and pay developers to work on it. The only FOSS models that have a track record of success are: * Run ads which is really shady. * Be a true community project and be developed by the people who use it. * Be open core and sell proprietary features. * Sell consulting and documentation.
  - Johanx64 5y ago
    Firefox of all things, isn't a "free community built browser". That's just so out of touch. And they have been acting very scummy for at least a decade, at least. And there we go on talking about nuance...
tssva 5y ago
I use Edge and although I have heard of the feature it has never been presented to me. Firefox on the other hand prompts me for unwanted Mozilla offerings and puts Disney ads in the browser.

matthewmacleod 5y ago

In fairness though, that first behaviour you've described sounds like a straight-up bug. I very much doubt that anybody at Firefox HQ intends this to be the case. I get that bugs can be annoying, but "my browser has an annoying bug" is a million miles away from "my browser monitors when I search for competitor's software and warns me that I shouldn't use it".

petepete 5y ago

Yeah. I love Firefox but I wish they'd stop trying to make me use Pocket or their VPN.

uhuhoo 5y ago
Yup. Sometimes it looks like they are trying to intentionally sabotage an otherwise great product. The regressions in UX are infuriating. Still, it is the only non-WebKit option out there, so there's that. And they at least claim to care abour user's privacy.
0des 5y ago
I've got a theory google owns pocket and just does it to make us look stupid for using Firefox with some random trash bolted on. Also remember Firefox hello or whatever messenger was once bolted on?
- manquer 5y ago
  Mozilla acquired pocket in 2017. Probably one of the reasons they push it heavily. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/mozilla-acquires-pocket/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/mozilla-acquires-po...
  - 0des 5y ago
    Ah OK, Mozilla owns pocket essentially.
    - 0des 5y ago
      Ffs I meant to say google
GekkePrutser 5y ago
Or putting "suggested links" on my new tab page, and adding news. I really don't care what kim kardashian had for dinner. Sure, it can be turned off but it seems like every few weeks I have to go hunting around to turn some new spammy shit off. And even though I sync my settings through firefox sync, these adware 'features' don't seem to sync their settings when I turn them off.

y-c-o-m-b 5y ago

Sounds like this is unique to you and your system? I've been using Firefox for casual browsing for years and I experience none of these issues. As in I don't even know what you're referring to honestly because I've never seen such things in all these years of having it. Chrome is set as my default browser btw. The only "pop-up" - if you can call it that - I ever get is the one telling me a new version of FF is available for download.

MerelyMortal 5y ago
FWIW: I also have this bug on one of my installations.