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It's not like the CDC wasn't warned that their policies would be harmful. Oh, wait, they were! Unfortunately, the CDC policies were captive to the teacher's u

It's not like the CDC wasn't warned that their policies would be harmful. Oh, wait, they were! Unfortunately, the CDC policies were captive to the teacher's unions, who are anti-child and anti-parent. https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/teachers-union-collaborated-with-cdc-on-school-reopening-emails/ https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/teachers-union-collaborated-wi...

manuelabeledo 5y ago
So a teacher’s union pushed to protect teachers during a pandemic. Shocking, especially after ~1000 teachers died from COVID-19.
- tomohawk 5y ago
  Thanks for agreeing that the teacher's union pursued an agenda contrary to the needs of our children. It won't be shocking given this activity to undermine our children's health that parents will work to re-orient the teacher's union to a mission that is actually useful to society.
  - manuelabeledo 5y ago
    > Thanks for agreeing that the teacher's union pursued an agenda contrary to the needs of our children. That’s the (far) reaching conclusion from the NYP, that not going to school made kids depressed. The reality is that the only obvious consequence was that schools were closed during the pandemic for health reasons. Now, children mental health treatment have been on the rise for the past 30 years or so. Teen suicide grew by 60% between 2007 and 2018. I doubt that you can blame that to the pandemic too. > It won't be shocking given this activity to undermine our children's health that parents will work to re-orient the teacher's union to a mission that is actually useful to society. Here’s the thing: teachers didn’t sign up to be expendable babysitters. They are supposed to teach, not to risk their lives or keep your kids under supervision. If you would like that, schools may be as well served by the National Guard.
  - hotpotamus 5y ago
    Perhaps we should have a children's union. Maybe then someone will think of the children.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  Somehow grocery stores managed to stay open. So did tire repair centers, auto shops, home depots, uber drivers, pot shop employees, pharmacy employees... what makes teachers so damn special? Adults sacrifice for children. Asking children, none of whom are at risk, to sacrifice for more than a year for a bunch of frightened adults... it is so disgustingly immoral I can't even. If teachers were scared, they should have quit and let somebody else teach the kids. Covid isn't and never was some modern black plague. The median age of death was higher than the average life expectancy of a human.
  - manuelabeledo 5y ago
    > what makes teachers so damn special? Ridiculous. None of those jobs can be performed remotely. > Adults sacrifice for children [...] If teachers were scared, they should have quit and let somebody else teach the kids. So you recognise the need for teachers, but not their right to live? Laughable. Also, there is a teacher shortage in the US. It's not like there are people queuing up to become teachers, so your point is moot. > The median age of death was higher than the average life expectancy of a human. Disregarding the fact that comparing medians and averages makes no sense, what does this matter? Lung cancer disproportionally kills more old than young people, does that mean that youngsters should be allowed to work in an asbestos infested environment? Regardless, the average age of teachers in the US is 42 years, and ~20% of them are 55 years or older [1]. COVID-19 deaths are 4% in the 40-49 age range, and 19% in the 50-64 age range [2]. On top of that, 60% of Americans have one or more comorbidities that increase COVID-19 risk [3], and long term COVID-19 is definitely a thing [4]. In comparison, if we were to accept that not going to school made children suicidal, which is quite a leap, still puts suicide rates hundreds of times below COVID-19 mortality rate. So what exactly is your standing here? That we need healthier teachers? More reckless ones? That teachers should be trained to disregard their own safety in order to satisfy your demands? What exactly are the risks in children development that would justify all this, by the way? [1] https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/ntps/tables/ntps1718_fltable02_t1s.asp https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/ntps/tables/ntps1718_fltable02_t... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-... [3] https://www.healthline.com/health-news/60-percent-of-americans-have-underlying-condition-that-increases-covid19-risk https://www.healthline.com/health-news/60-percent-of-america... [4] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i...
JaimeThompson 5y ago
How are they "anti-parent"?
- manuelabeledo 5y ago
  They are “anti-parent” only if they are viewed as babysitters. I think that this idea has been pushed by right wing media as part of their “open for business” rhetoric. They claim to be concerned about children wellbeing, when the actual goal is to get kids out of their homes and parents back to the offices.

manuelabeledo 5y ago

So a teacher’s union pushed to protect teachers during a pandemic. Shocking, especially after ~1000 teachers died from COVID-19.

tomohawk 5y ago
Thanks for agreeing that the teacher's union pursued an agenda contrary to the needs of our children. It won't be shocking given this activity to undermine our children's health that parents will work to re-orient the teacher's union to a mission that is actually useful to society.
- manuelabeledo 5y ago
  > Thanks for agreeing that the teacher's union pursued an agenda contrary to the needs of our children. That’s the (far) reaching conclusion from the NYP, that not going to school made kids depressed. The reality is that the only obvious consequence was that schools were closed during the pandemic for health reasons. Now, children mental health treatment have been on the rise for the past 30 years or so. Teen suicide grew by 60% between 2007 and 2018. I doubt that you can blame that to the pandemic too. > It won't be shocking given this activity to undermine our children's health that parents will work to re-orient the teacher's union to a mission that is actually useful to society. Here’s the thing: teachers didn’t sign up to be expendable babysitters. They are supposed to teach, not to risk their lives or keep your kids under supervision. If you would like that, schools may be as well served by the National Guard.
- hotpotamus 5y ago
  Perhaps we should have a children's union. Maybe then someone will think of the children.
spookthesunset 5y ago
Somehow grocery stores managed to stay open. So did tire repair centers, auto shops, home depots, uber drivers, pot shop employees, pharmacy employees... what makes teachers so damn special? Adults sacrifice for children. Asking children, none of whom are at risk, to sacrifice for more than a year for a bunch of frightened adults... it is so disgustingly immoral I can't even. If teachers were scared, they should have quit and let somebody else teach the kids. Covid isn't and never was some modern black plague. The median age of death was higher than the average life expectancy of a human.
- manuelabeledo 5y ago
  > what makes teachers so damn special? Ridiculous. None of those jobs can be performed remotely. > Adults sacrifice for children [...] If teachers were scared, they should have quit and let somebody else teach the kids. So you recognise the need for teachers, but not their right to live? Laughable. Also, there is a teacher shortage in the US. It's not like there are people queuing up to become teachers, so your point is moot. > The median age of death was higher than the average life expectancy of a human. Disregarding the fact that comparing medians and averages makes no sense, what does this matter? Lung cancer disproportionally kills more old than young people, does that mean that youngsters should be allowed to work in an asbestos infested environment? Regardless, the average age of teachers in the US is 42 years, and ~20% of them are 55 years or older [1]. COVID-19 deaths are 4% in the 40-49 age range, and 19% in the 50-64 age range [2]. On top of that, 60% of Americans have one or more comorbidities that increase COVID-19 risk [3], and long term COVID-19 is definitely a thing [4]. In comparison, if we were to accept that not going to school made children suicidal, which is quite a leap, still puts suicide rates hundreds of times below COVID-19 mortality rate. So what exactly is your standing here? That we need healthier teachers? More reckless ones? That teachers should be trained to disregard their own safety in order to satisfy your demands? What exactly are the risks in children development that would justify all this, by the way? [1] https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/ntps/tables/ntps1718_fltable02_t1s.asp https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/ntps/tables/ntps1718_fltable02_t... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-... [3] https://www.healthline.com/health-news/60-percent-of-americans-have-underlying-condition-that-increases-covid19-risk https://www.healthline.com/health-news/60-percent-of-america... [4] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i...

JaimeThompson 5y ago

How are they "anti-parent"?

manuelabeledo 5y ago
They are “anti-parent” only if they are viewed as babysitters. I think that this idea has been pushed by right wing media as part of their “open for business” rhetoric. They claim to be concerned about children wellbeing, when the actual goal is to get kids out of their homes and parents back to the offices.